I am currently experinceing somemajor zone one problems, in that my hip action does not seem to be adaquite to produce enough lag and drag to keep everything moving and it apears that the overtaking is begingin way to soon, and i run out of right arm way to frequently, which makes the right wrist flatten out often, causing a high weack ball with tons of leekage. I am swinging but even with start down waggles i rarley get throught the ball with a solid flat leading wrist and i know that zone one is the main source of action, to generate CF to power the swinging left arm, but i rarly get a good blast off as well, today i got on a dynamic balance machinewhich measures where your center of gravity is through out the swing, i saw that mine goes well into my right heel, possibly a bit to deep into thte heels, and then onthe down swing,i go way out onto mytoes well beyond where i shoudl be, i have tride and tried to keep it from going so far out, but i can not 1. stay in my posture which seem as though im moving towards the ball with my hips,and 2. i cant keep the weight from going way way out onto and beyond my left toes, insted of the heel no matter how hard I try, even when i put a ball under my left toes and swing. The only help i can give myself is to go really slow but the weight issues are still there, and it causes me to loose my FLW and flip. I need serriouse help
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If the right wrist flattens at or around impact, you will suffer from trajectile disfunction.
I am currently experinceing somemajor zone one problems, in that my hip action does not seem to be adaquite to produce enough lag and drag to keep everything moving and it apears that the overtaking is begingin way to soon, and i run out of right arm way to frequently, which makes the right wrist flatten out often, causing a high weack ball with tons of leekage. I am swinging but even with start down waggles i rarley get throught the ball with a solid flat leading wrist and i know that zone one is the main source of action, to generate CF to power the swinging left arm, but i rarly get a good blast off as well, today i got on a dynamic balance machinewhich measures where your center of gravity is through out the swing, i saw that mine goes well into my right heel, possibly a bit to deep into thte heels, and then onthe down swing,i go way out onto mytoes well beyond where i shoudl be, i have tride and tried to keep it from going so far out, but i can not 1. stay in my posture which seem as though im moving towards the ball with my hips,and 2. i cant keep the weight from going way way out onto and beyond my left toes, insted of the heel no matter how hard I try, even when i put a ball under my left toes and swing. The only help i can give myself is to go really slow but the weight issues are still there, and it causes me to loose my FLW and flip. I need serriouse help
As long as you start the swing (up or down) with the hips, you have pivot-controlled hands, which not only transfers your weight to either side, but also releases "Lag", including the "Pivot" one (or zone I), and all you describes.
__________________ Yani Tseng, Go! Go! Go! Yani Tseng Did It Again! YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn. Bend the shaft.
While completely accurate, I'm not sure that response will help him. He seems to have a faulty pivot, in that he is moving towards the ball on the downswing (dropping his head and moving towards target line). He "feels" as though he is moving onto his toes. Even "educated hands" will have trouble controlling a wobbly pivot.
My first thought is the knee action might be wrong in the pivot. The knees control the movement of the head. Perhaps you have too much left knee bend moving towards the target line rather than more "in". I would recommend, for starters, using the McDonald #2 and #4 drills in the other pivot thread. I have seen Yoda recommend those drills to others when there have been zone 1 issues.
If you swing with just a dowel, and no ball on the target line, and concentrate on getting to your finishing position (rather than hitting the ball), do you still move towards the target line on the downswing? Perhaps it is related to trying to make contact with the ball, rather than swing through it.
Keep us posted on your progress and what works. Best of luck to you!
I am 60 years old and I too have difficulty initiating an assertive downswing hip pivot action - due to a lack of flexibility and a lack of strong torso muscles. I have solved the problem to a major degree by using an idea I got from HK's book. He talked of triggering the downswing with a right shoulder thrust movement. I now start my downswing with a very assertive right shoulder thrust movement downplane, that causes my pelvis to shift-rotate immediately at the start of the downswing. I also maintain that thrust well into the followthrough because it helps me to develop secondary axis tilt and fully release my power accumulators to a a both-arms-straight position at the end of the followthrough. My previous downswing pivot action was so sluggish that I had a marked propensity to suffer from "quitting" and chicken-winging.
Thank you for your responeses, i have a better time when i swing through the ball with a dowel, hoewver i still do move towards the target and drop i think that i have to work harder onthe left knee action, andthe downplane right shoulder.
I am a little confused about the TGM sequencing from start down though, and how educated hands can generate anylag and drag in the pivot train, it would seem this would leave the hips behind, and not load pp4 in ordr to create the blast off, i think i am however sufferingfrom pivot controlledhands but it is notthe sourece of my problems, becuase my body is out of possition causing me to have to flip because i am "stuck from moving towards the ball and down with my head.
I think i need to have a better understanding of how educated hands can take me from top down and generate lag and drag, off to the range now to work on it though
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If the right wrist flattens at or around impact, you will suffer from trajectile disfunction.
Ok so i went to the range today and worked hard on the staying within myshot but my pivot is definatly faulty, i was on teh dynamic balance machine again, and videoed my swing. My back swing is solid now, i get good and loaded up but my start down is terrible, my hips slide not parralel with the plane line, but towards the ball pulling me out of my posuture, and forcesme way way out onto my left toe, which is confirmed by the dynamic balance.
Any help with the seqencing from start down throught to follow through would be greaty helpful and where the emphasis should be as far as the what i should feel
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If the right wrist flattens at or around impact, you will suffer from trajectile disfunction.
I dont KNow if anyone is underingog their traingin to be a PGA professonal, but there is a video on intro to teaching for the level one by rick martino where he teaches a student to sit the right hip diagonally back.
I saw Rick today and spoke to him briefly about my problems and herecomended i feel that my right hip goes diagonally over the right heel, and then that i leave it there, almostl liek sitting it back into a chairand then keeping it basically set their for the duration of the backswing
I found with this move i could really get back onto myleft heel in teh downswing. Wondering what tgm principals this coincides with, or violates, have been unable to find something like it unless i am just misunderstanding the correct hip action
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If the right wrist flattens at or around impact, you will suffer from trajectile disfunction.
I have not read all the posts in this thread but I know from personal experience that most people do not know how to pivot effectively. I think Mr. Kelley referenced the pivot as a sharper than you think turn, almost a twist. That right glute has to move behind you. I guess the oldest image around is turning in a barrel. I have discovered (Thanks to Mr. Edz) that knee action is key in this regard. Attempting to use a right anchor ala Hogan may be beyond many people's flexibility (Snead used standard knee action and he was made out of bungees!) Anyway, right anchor encouraged me to move off the ball, just a smidge. I have also noticed that some people toe their left foot out a significant amount causing their hips to be slightly open to the plane line, restricting a free turn going back (OK for shorter shots not so good for longer shots) I think Hogan set his feet in a slightly closed position while his hips were slightly open. Pre-setting the hips clears a path for your hands, but to me that is more of a drill. One word of warning it is easy when working on zone one to forget about the hand assignment. It is easy for the bigger muscles to dominate the event. I put a molded grip on a length of lead pipe, no shaft, it reminds me that my hands must be in charge. If you do not give them a proper assignment they are mutinous...kinda like intelligent teenagers! Inspect what you expect Look...Look...LOOK
TGM brings us back to what we always known namely the importance of a good grip and a stationary head! Most of US just did not know it was an alignment thing!
As long as you start the swing (up or down) with the hips, you have pivot-controlled hands, which not only transfers your weight to either side, but also releases "Lag", including the "Pivot" one (or zone I), and all you describes.
I can easily start my swing with my hips and yet direct my #3 pressure point at my aiming point or ball. Look at Hogan - I doubt he was a pivot controlled hands player. Not with his accuracy and length.
I can easily start my swing with my hips and yet direct my #3 pressure point at my aiming point or ball. Look at Hogan - I doubt he was a pivot controlled hands player. Not with his accuracy and length.
He sure wasn't.
He starts it with "Lag". His body starts it with hips.
__________________ Yani Tseng, Go! Go! Go! Yani Tseng Did It Again! YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn. Bend the shaft.
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