Pro at the course wants to know how to
seperate hip motion from hip action
on the takeaway/start up. Are there any drills
for this? Problem, students take club
to the inside, lift and come over the
top. I suggested right forearm takeaway
and tracing the plane line and butt of club
on plane on backswing. This does not seem to
work for his teaching. The pro leands toward
delayed hip vs standard hip but not sure.
Let's see if I can help. First, in both hitting and swinging, delayed hip action is listed (12-1 and 12-2) in the basic pattern (component 15). However, remember that in delayed hip action shoulders LEAD the backswing (with the hips leading the downswing) - whereas standard hip action has the HIPS leading both ways.
Having said that, the problem of the shaft getting underplane falls into Zone #3 -so while the pivot can pull the hands and the clubshaft too far inside and underplane (shoulder turn takeaway), extensor action is the key to maintaining the clubshaft's orientation to the plane line - hand controlled pivot!
It's sounds to me that the student in question is using a shoulder turn take away-
my opinion would be to use slow motion swings and LOOK LOOK LOOK and be certain that while the body makes it's chosen pivot motion, the hands, through employing extensor action, control the motion of the club shaft.
I will also recommend that the student make these swings all the way to the top/end and looks to be sure he is maintaining the proper shaft to the plane line orientation throughout the backstroke. Sometimes, the student turns the left wrist too much in the backstroke, and again, the shaft points beyond the plane line.
Incidently, Sam Snead was a member of my club for thirty years until he passed away, and he swung the club back in the manner you describe. BUT, at the top/end, he was able to align the components onto the turned shoulder plane for an on plane downstroke.
I forgot to mention this - the hands FEEL, throughout the swing, that they are moving along a line parallel to the plane line. (Lynn has told us several times that Moe Norman spoke about this feel all the time).
Obviously they do not; however, the feel of this should help keep the club from going too far to the inside.
The Pro feels like most of his students take
the club to the inside and wants a sure fire
fix or drill. Wish that I could get him on the
forum. I gave him the yellow book and got him to buy the
the DVD Alignment series. He even made a special trip
to the PGA teachers sumit to watch Lynn Blake. Guess that
like many people, he is looking for the Holy Grail.
Thanks for your comments on the hands. I personally
check mine on every practice session.
I really like what fladan is saying. dkerb....Id tell your friend that the arms and the pivot do not travel back as one. The arms , ideally the right arm does its thing while the pivot does its own thing. Together via their individual motions , forces, the Hands, the #3 pressure point, travel the Inclined Plane going back and down. The Pivot provides primarily the IN of three dimensional takeaway's BACK, IN and UP. The Right Elbow arm bending and momentum provide all of the UP.
Try this drill. Go to Top (hands right shoulder high) and freeze. Then rotate your shoulders back to square to the line while holding your hands at Top. See how your Right Hand is out nearer the plane line! See the Right Hand travel isolated from Pivot travel. The Pivot provides so much of the IN! But the Arm motion when isolated is just a little fanning and then a right elbow bending Pick UP! Put it all together and you got the TGM Backswing. Pivot goes around or IN, the Right ARm Fans BACK (or is Fanned by the PIvot in Startup) and Bends UP at the elbow. Two unique Zones (Arms and PIvot) each with their own vector or direction of motion. The #3 pp , the Hands netting out with on plane travel.
It sounds weird but its what we do for most of our movements , naturally. Whats not natural is tying the arms down to the pivot. That would take the arms in the direction the pivot is going . BACK AND IN ...... and most likely too much so.
O.B. Left, can you help clarify the takeway for me.
I read some much about the Right Forearm pick up
with the sequence UP, Back, In. The sequence that
you mention is Back, In, Up? Thanks, Donn
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