PLEASE! How/Why does this ridiculous swing work!!

[robmurf]

Ted Fort's famous reverse pivot swing has me very intrigued and confused!

Clearly Mr Fort clearly has an amazing level of talent, his 'normal' swing is superb but, I'm kind of confused as to why this wonderful 'joke' swing actually works!

Any insight, opinion, thoughts on this would be most welcome.

My own golf swing is sadly not very good at all, I'm a habitual and horrible flipper, in fact, after many many years of trying to learn how hit it properly, I have to admit I'm near the point of giving the game up...

Anyway, I'm still morbidly curious I guess... Of course I realize he's just having fun, but HOW does Mr Fort do this and achieve what looks like a great impact position! He seems not only to be doing the wrong thing with his lower body but the opposite of what is correct! I.e. I believed the pivot, the movement of the hips and the correct sequencing of all these components were crucial to a good stroke. His upper body, shoulders, hands, arms etc. look great, he achieves great lag and a quality impact that I could only dream about, and yet, when you consider what he's doing with his lower body I just wonder HOW does he do it!

Great site guys, thanks for any replys and if anyone want to take any time to check out my swing and wants to give me feedback that'd be great.

me...
front as a righty...

DTL as my normal lefty

second DTL shot is after a lesson, aiming better but even though this angle doesn't show it i'm still the Mayor of Flip city!


Cheers

Rob Murf UK

p.s. I used to be good at some stuff, so I'll swap you for lessons on how to drive faster if you want!

[okie]

Edumacated mittens!

[O.B.Left]

You said it, flip city. You're bending your left wrist through impact. So dont do that and you're fixed.

By allowing the clubhead to overtake your hands later in your swing and via a flat and rolling left wrist instead of bending one will see you return to form. Quickly.

[robmurf]

Edumacated mittens!

I'm not exactly a prolific poster but I'm a long time lurker, so for sure I've read about 'educated hands', 'hand controlled pivot' etc. but I suppose I've never really understood what they mean!

I guess it's obvious, i.e. if you get your hands to do the correct thing everything else will follow? Or, if you're as good as Mr. Fort, not follow, however you choose.

So the proof, that the hands control it all, is this reverse pivot swing I guess? Also, maybe those guys I've seen hitting great shots whilst kneeling down or even one guy whilst kneeling on one of those big excercise ball thingys!

I'm gonna have to read up more on educated hands, and try harder, oh wait I'm quitting! Oh well not yet I guess...

anyway many thanks for reply

[Mike O]

First, don't try to figure out Ted Fort - it's a dark world there and very disturbing things happen! Leave it alone!

You need to find out why you have to flip- one purpose of the flip is to close the clubface - so those things that "open" the clubface are "flip enablers". The face on right hand swing- your clubface is really open to the mat line at impact fix. Watch out for the "flip enablers" - open face, weak grip, closed stance, etc. etc. Easy right? Whoa! why are you sliding back into those things after you initially made the change I talked about? Oh! you can't count on the new changes - you're more comfortable with the flip enablers and that pattern - those changes didn't immediately give you the same consistency- gotcha! Plus that strange feel- that can't be right - "I mean I must be looking really non-golf like in my motion right?"

Bucket- He says he is not a prolific poster - yet he's posted three times- please advise.

[YodasLuke]

If you don't know how to use your Right Arm, it's impossible. That's the very reason that I tried the unusual. I was thinking of a fade-away jump shot in basketball and was curious if I could make a true "reverse pivot". I wanted a body motion that would be counterproductive. In practice and in teaching, I add things, remove things, and reverse things to find the effects.

There are those that comment on the ineffectiveness and inefficiency of Hitting. I've measured one of my "reverse pivot" drives at 250 yards with a Bushnell laser. It's no monster drive, but it shows that the Right Arm is capable. Add a small measure of a "normal" Pivot and watch the ball fly.

As an aside, the "reverse pivot" is a great way to get a bet.

[robmurf]

First, don't try to figure out Ted Fort - it's a dark world there and very disturbing things happen! Leave it alone!

You need to find out why you have to flip- one purpose of the flip is to close the clubface - so those things that "open" the clubface are "flip enablers". The face on right hand swing- your clubface is really open to the mat line at impact fix. Watch out for the "flip enablers" - open face, weak grip, closed stance, etc. etc. Easy right? Whoa! why are you sliding back into those things after you initially made the change I talked about? Oh! you can't count on the new changes - you're more comfortable with the flip enablers and that pattern - those changes didn't immediately give you the same consistency- gotcha! Plus that strange feel- that can't be right - "I mean I must be looking really non-golf like in my motion right?"

Bucket- He says he is not a prolific poster - yet he's posted three times- please advise.

Thanks for taking time to look at my swing, I'll check out that open position at impact fix. I THINK my big habit is to stand waaay closed with a closed face, I have no idea why i've worked myself into this position... I guess if i time it okay i can hit 'okay' shots that sort of pull draw, not proper golf shots though, I can be pretty accurate but my distance is terrible.

Not too sure I understand what you mean by "flip enablers", my closed stance is one of them you say, can you elaborate at all?

Thanks
Rob

[robmurf]

If you don't know how to use your Right Arm, it's impossible. That's the very reason that I tried the unusual. I was thinking of a fade-away jump shot in basketball and was curious if I could make a true "reverse pivot". I wanted a body motion that would be counterproductive. In practice and in teaching, I add things, remove things, and reverse things to find the effects.

There are those that comment on the ineffectiveness and inefficiency of Hitting. I've measured one of my "reverse pivot" drives at 250 yards with a Bushnell laser. It's no monster drive, but it shows that the Right Arm is capable. Add a small measure of a "normal" Pivot and watch the ball fly.

As an aside, the "reverse pivot" is a great way to get a bet.

MR FORT!!!

Great to hear from you, I feel honored, honest!!!

Can you explain what you mean by "If you don't know how to use your Right Arm, it's impossible." It would be great if you could.

Do people really "comment on the ineffectiveness and inefficiency of Hitting." I don't get it, some of the greats are hitters aren't they? I have no idea if I'm right but isn't Trevino one?

Any chance you might look at my swing vids and offer input? I ain't pretty I realise...

[GPStyles]

Rob, my two cents would be to suggest you go to Lynn's youtube channel and watch the lesson with Colin Neeman series of videos.

I would also suggest you check out any video of Lynn where he talks about hinge action.

Your swing isn't awful, a lot of it looks good and I'm sure all the AI's on here would love to get their (educated) mits on you because IMHO it wouldn't take them long to have you hitting piercing frozen ropes into the yonder!

If you don't have it, get "Alignment Golf", you will find it extremely useful, especially all the drills.

I should add that I am merely a seeker like yourself, I have no formal training whatsoever.

[robmurf]

Rob, my two cents would be to suggest you go to Lynn's youtube channel and watch the lesson with Colin Neeman series of videos.

I would also suggest you check out any video of Lynn where he talks about hinge action.

Your swing isn't awful, a lot of it looks good and I'm sure all the AI's on here would love to get their (educated) mits on you because IMHO it wouldn't take them long to have you hitting piercing frozen ropes into the yonder!

If you don't have it, get "Alignment Golf", you will find it extremely useful, especially all the drills.

I should add that I am merely a seeker like yourself, I have no formal training whatsoever.

Thanks fot the 2 cents GPS. I'll have to think about getting the Alignment Golf" DVD sent over here to Blighty!

I have indeed watched the Colin Neeman video and watched Yoda's hinge action vids, all numerous times.

Now and then i seem to hit the ball very very solid at the range (all my golf is at the range, i rarely play these days...) E.g. for the last couple of days it's felt really good, BUT and it's a big but, i can hit nice straight 7 irons 140 to maybe 145, my PW bang on 100 but that's it... that distance is no good, i see 12 year olds half my size zooming it past that. I can fly a 5 iron maybe 155, my driver maybe 200 max carry. so i just KNOW i can't be getting any lag with those numbers. damn frustrating for sure.

You said it, flip city. You're bending your left wrist through impact. So dont do that and you're fixed.

By allowing the clubhead to overtake your hands later in your swing and via a flat and rolling left wrist instead of bending one will see you return to form. Quickly.

i really do get the CONCEPT of a flat and rolling wrist but boy do i seem to have a hard time gettin it done!

thanks again guys for all feedback