...assuming an anatomically average, strong grip, should the grooves in the clubface be basically parallel with the back of your left hand?
As I've become more focused on my hands and hinge actions I've found I have to align the club this way - otherwise I hit hooks.
It certainly makes sense given TGM method of using the back of the left hand, but I'm still a bit unsure about it.
If you want to have a 10-2-B grip you want your left wrist to be vertical to the ground if you hold your left arm out parallel to the ground. Now that being said you have discovered a subtle point on grip . . . . Homer wanted to have the grip taken at FIX. So you are programing the amount of shaft lean and handle height and the amount the face is open or closed. Then put your left hand on there.
This is a piece I struggle with. I tend to set up with some shaft lean and the face aimed some what left. So if I don't return the club to the ball with that amout of shaft lean (OR MORE) then the face is going to PULL THE BALL. So keep in mind that the ball essentially leaves the face at 90 degrees to where it is looking. So if you are having trouble hitting hooks you may want to check:
a. where are you aiming the face? if you are aiming it left . . . .OPEN IT. That way you can get the ball to start right of your line and curve back to it assuming you are swinging right of the face.
b. how much shaft lean do you have at address? If you have right much you better make sure you get that much thru the ball or the face is going to pull it left.
c. MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS . . . to have the ball draw . . . YOU DON'T HAVE TO WRAP THE FACE AROUND BALL. All you have to do is have your PATH to THE RIGHT of where the face is looking.
This post is to follow up Buckets already piercingly brilliant remarks.
Andy R.
The question is: “Is there an easier explanation of TGM 10-2-B grip so that anyone can perfectly place their Left Hand on the Clubshaft?”
Answer: Yes
First, all clubs have an inherent Hook Face design if and when the Clubshaft is leaning forward as it should during Impact and Ball Separation.
Homer Kelley said:
“The direction of the ball will be the resultant of the Vectors of the forces acting on the ball, unless all the forces can be focused on one line (2-C-1 #3). The direction control would be stabilized and in addition, the ball would be propelled by the sum of the forces acting on it, instead of the much smaller Resultant Force of scattered Vectors. The Vector of the spin-producing force cannot be brought into the alignment or there can be produced on the plane of the actual Line of Flight and thus exert no interference with alignment of the forces. Study text and sketches in 2-B and 2-C.
The force of the Impact will hold the ball against the face of the orbiting Clubhead and so carry it along the same circular path. This places the ball under the laws of Centrifugal Force. Which requires that the ball leave its circular path at right angles to the radius of that path at the point at which it leaves that path. But the hook-face alignment of the Clubhead – designed to give it the proper relation to the Plane Line – diverts the ball from its true tangential path. This geometric alignment assures full production of straightaway velocity by assuring no glancing action other than for producing backspin. Study 2-J and 2-F.”
Second, 10-2-B Vertical-Vertical-Aft VVA means that the Left Wrist is Vertical at Impact-Separation.
What is Vertical? Following, is an explanation in Daryl-ese.
When you position the Clubhead on the Ground with its leading edge square to your Target and the Clubshaft Vertical (not leaning forward), place a Book on the Target side of the Clushaft Grip. It will be Vertical. Lean the Clubshaft Toward the Target 5-10 degrees and the Book is no longer Vertical. Hmm? To make the book vertical with a forward leaning Clubshaft (but keeping the Leading edge of the Clubface square to Target), Turn (rotate) the Book to the right while keeping contact with the shaft until it is vertical (up and down) and you’ll see that while the Book is vertical, that the back of the Book is now facing right of the target line. This demonstrates Vertical Left Wrist at Impact. The Back of the Hand and Flat Left Wrist are facing to the right of the Target (Right of Center Field) and that’s where your Left Hand and Flat Left Wrist should be facing at Impact with that amount of shaft lean (that amount of Hook Face) and your Thumb will be on the Aft Side of the Clubshaft. The more you lean the Clubshaft, then the more your Left Hand with Flat Left Wrist faces Right of the Target line at Impact-Fix.
Why didn’t Homer just say that? Because the book would be 5,000 pages thick.
One more thing…..
If your Left Wrist becomes Flat at the Top of the Backswing, then you must use the dreaded Simultaneous Release. If you want to use the All Powerful, Never Compromise, Super Duper Swingers “Sequenced Release” then you must add a compensation or forever hit balls to the left.
Thanks 12pb, you nailed it, if I take my grip at impact fix it confirms that the back of my left hand is parallel to the clubface grooves, and with that grip, so far, I've been free from any unintentional hooks - a huge step for me towards a hands-centric swing.
On understanding 'C' - yep, I'm familiar with Andy Plumbers excellent explanation of starting a ball right and drawing it: the face being slightly open at impact, but slightly closed to the club path. Their using ball placement for path along with face angle to control curve has been the most effective method for me personally - great stuff. The catch for me was the neutrality of my grip, always a problem, until now it seems.
At impact fix, the left hand should be exactly as it hangs at YOUR side naturally.
It is not the left wrist being verticle per se, but the left arm flying wedge being verticle, that ultimately matters.
Look at pics of Homer at impact. The back of his left had most definitely does not face the target.
If you look at the pics of nearly all past great players at impact, the left hand/wrist may be in different positions, stronger or weaker, but the right hand is always the same.
Take your grip at impact fix.
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This post is to follow up Buckets already piercingly brilliant remarks.
Andy R.
The question is: “Is there an easier explanation of TGM 10-2-B grip so that anyone can perfectly place their Left Hand on the Clubshaft?”
Answer: Yes
First, all clubs have an inherent Hook Face design if and when the Clubshaft is leaning forward as it should during Impact and Ball Separation.
Homer Kelley said:
“The direction of the ball will be the resultant of the Vectors of the forces acting on the ball, unless all the forces can be focused on one line (2-C-1 #3). The direction control would be stabilized and in addition, the ball would be propelled by the sum of the forces acting on it, instead of the much smaller Resultant Force of scattered Vectors. The Vector of the spin-producing force cannot be brought into the alignment or there can be produced on the plane of the actual Line of Flight and thus exert no interference with alignment of the forces. Study text and sketches in 2-B and 2-C.
The force of the Impact will hold the ball against the face of the orbiting Clubhead and so carry it along the same circular path. This places the ball under the laws of Centrifugal Force. Which requires that the ball leave its circular path at right angles to the radius of that path at the point at which it leaves that path. But the hook-face alignment of the Clubhead – designed to give it the proper relation to the Plane Line – diverts the ball from its true tangential path. This geometric alignment assures full production of straightaway velocity by assuring no glancing action other than for producing backspin. Study 2-J and 2-F.”
Second, 10-2-B Vertical-Vertical-Aft VVA means that the Left Wrist is Vertical at Impact-Separation.
What is Vertical? Following, is an explanation in Daryl-ese.
When you position the Clubhead on the Ground with its leading edge square to your Target and the Clubshaft Vertical (not leaning forward), place a Book on the Target side of the Clushaft Grip. It will be Vertical. Lean the Clubshaft Toward the Target 5-10 degrees and the Book is no longer Vertical. Hmm? To make the book vertical with a forward leaning Clubshaft (but keeping the Leading edge of the Clubface square to Target), Turn (rotate) the Book to the right while keeping contact with the shaft until it is vertical (up and down) and you’ll see that while the Book is vertical, that the back of the Book is now facing right of the target line. This demonstrates Vertical Left Wrist at Impact. The Back of the Hand and Flat Left Wrist are facing to the right of the Target (Right of Center Field) and that’s where your Left Hand and Flat Left Wrist should be facing at Impact with that amount of shaft lean (that amount of Hook Face) and your Thumb will be on the Aft Side of the Clubshaft. The more you lean the Clubshaft, then the more your Left Hand with Flat Left Wrist faces Right of the Target line at Impact-Fix.
Why didn’t Homer just say that? Because the book would be 5,000 pages thick.
One more thing…..
If your Left Wrist becomes Flat at the Top of the Backswing, then you must use the dreaded Simultaneous Release. If you want to use the All Powerful, Never Compromise, Super Duper Swingers “Sequenced Release” then you must add a compensation or forever hit balls to the left.
DUDE!!! WHERE YOU BEEN? GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK HOME!
This post is to follow up Buckets already piercingly brilliant remarks.
Andy R.
The question is: “Is there an easier explanation of TGM 10-2-B grip so that anyone can perfectly place their Left Hand on the Clubshaft?”
Answer: Yes
First, all clubs have an inherent Hook Face design if and when the Clubshaft is leaning forward as it should during Impact and Ball Separation.
Homer Kelley said:
“The direction of the ball will be the resultant of the Vectors of the forces acting on the ball, unless all the forces can be focused on one line (2-C-1 #3). The direction control would be stabilized and in addition, the ball would be propelled by the sum of the forces acting on it, instead of the much smaller Resultant Force of scattered Vectors. The Vector of the spin-producing force cannot be brought into the alignment or there can be produced on the plane of the actual Line of Flight and thus exert no interference with alignment of the forces. Study text and sketches in 2-B and 2-C.
The force of the Impact will hold the ball against the face of the orbiting Clubhead and so carry it along the same circular path. This places the ball under the laws of Centrifugal Force. Which requires that the ball leave its circular path at right angles to the radius of that path at the point at which it leaves that path. But the hook-face alignment of the Clubhead – designed to give it the proper relation to the Plane Line – diverts the ball from its true tangential path. This geometric alignment assures full production of straightaway velocity by assuring no glancing action other than for producing backspin. Study 2-J and 2-F.”
Second, 10-2-B Vertical-Vertical-Aft VVA means that the Left Wrist is Vertical at Impact-Separation.
What is Vertical? Following, is an explanation in Daryl-ese.
When you position the Clubhead on the Ground with its leading edge square to your Target and the Clubshaft Vertical (not leaning forward), place a Book on the Target side of the Clushaft Grip. It will be Vertical. Lean the Clubshaft Toward the Target 5-10 degrees and the Book is no longer Vertical. Hmm? To make the book vertical with a forward leaning Clubshaft (but keeping the Leading edge of the Clubface square to Target), Turn (rotate) the Book to the right while keeping contact with the shaft until it is vertical (up and down) and you’ll see that while the Book is vertical, that the back of the Book is now facing right of the target line. This demonstrates Vertical Left Wrist at Impact. The Back of the Hand and Flat Left Wrist are facing to the right of the Target (Right of Center Field) and that’s where your Left Hand and Flat Left Wrist should be facing at Impact with that amount of shaft lean (that amount of Hook Face) and your Thumb will be on the Aft Side of the Clubshaft. The more you lean the Clubshaft, then the more your Left Hand with Flat Left Wrist faces Right of the Target line at Impact-Fix.
Why didn’t Homer just say that? Because the book would be 5,000 pages thick.
One more thing…..
If your Left Wrist becomes Flat at the Top of the Backswing, then you must use the dreaded Simultaneous Release. If you want to use the All Powerful, Never Compromise, Super Duper Swingers “Sequenced Release” then you must add a compensation or forever hit balls to the left.
How long/how many welcome backs before I can start giving Daryl a hard time again? Now if Mike O would just un-duct-tape himself from the wall in his cell . . . .life would be back to "normal."
How long/how many welcome backs before I can start giving Daryl a hard time again? Now if Mike O would just un-duct-tape himself from the wall in his cell . . . .life would be back to "normal."
You can start now, but leave that Banker tied to the wall in his cell with the other Bankers.
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