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Old 04-01-2011, 09:59 AM
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After a brief, friendly, quiet interlude, the attacks on a centered pivot start again. Now let's go after Ted for posting a video with a bottle on his head. All you can do is laugh...



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Old 04-01-2011, 11:31 AM
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What? Golfers move their heads?

Like a lot of endeavors you start with a model, some assumptions and then later you change the parameters to see how it affects things and what compensations may or may not be required. The basic model still has merit, relevance though especially to the subject in its simplest form........like putting say. That said, Bobby Locke swayed when putting ..... but compensated for it.

In an actual human swing , Homer identified multiple centers , most, maybe all but one, are on the move actually. Given this , he knew the clubhead's orbit wasnt perfectly circular for instance.....but the underlying geometry , the Geometry of the Circle is golfs geometry and you cant draw a perfect circle without a constant center. Which makes for a good starting point for a golf model. Like in 1-L, The Machine with its one steady Center and its one Lever.

Next week lets discuss why the model doesnt have feet or legs and how to cut ours off. The following week let's cover attaching a giant hinge to our left shoulder and why airplanes should have feathers.

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Old 04-01-2011, 03:58 PM
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I actually think there are plenty of good swings where the head moves, but I see more good swings I like with a fairly centered head... Isn't it about what works for each student? When someone starts screaming from the mountain tops that a "feel" doesn't pass scientific muster I run away, and will continue to do so...

Can you imagine trying to make Bubba Watson swing like any template? I sure can't. Centered works for me though, and am seeing a lot of success with teaching my students a centered pivot. Things move when you see them in 3D, but that doesn't change the "feel" or the goal of getting on top of it...

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I actually think there are plenty of good swings where the head moves, but I see more good swings I like with a fairly centered head... Isn't it about what works for each student? When someone starts screaming from the mountain tops that a "feel" doesn't pass scientific muster I run away, and will continue to do so...

Can you imagine trying to make Bubba Watson swing like any template? I sure can't. Centered works for me though, and am seeing a lot of success with teaching my students a centered pivot. Things move when you see them in 3D, but that doesn't change the "feel" or the goal of getting on top of it...

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Good stuff Kevin, the head moves even when you feel that it does not. I have a tough time getting my head back to impact fix once it has moved too far to the right. I set my head at impact fix, move everything else into an adjusted address and usually don't think about it again. Works better. Also, when the head is still on my backswing, my pivot is more efficient. Check out some youtube videos of Robert Allenby, that is the head motion I refer to.
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Old 04-01-2011, 05:46 PM
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Good stuff Kevin, the head moves even when you feel that it does not. I have a tough time getting my head back to impact fix once it has moved too far to the right. I set my head at impact fix, move everything else into an adjusted address and usually don't think about it again. Works better. Also, when the head is still on my backswing, my pivot is more efficient. Check out some youtube videos of Robert Allenby, that is the head motion I refer to.
Thanks Dodger,

So many of the Australian's swings look so simple and efficient to me. Allenby, Appleby, Elkington, Pampling, Badds, the list goes on and on...

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Here is what our "cult" leader had to say. Pretty hard to argue with this no matter which side of the coin you fall on...

"HOMER KELLEY viewed the Stationary Head as a geometric ideal, not as a mechanical absolute. He recognized our humanity. Hence, his advice: 'Just keep it as still as you can.'"
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Here is what our "cult" leader had to say. Pretty hard to argue with this no matter which side of the coin you fall on...

"HOMER KELLEY viewed the Stationary Head as a geometric ideal, not as a mechanical absolute. He recognized our humanity. Hence, his advice: 'Just keep it as still as you can.'"
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Since I am new to posting here if this sounds confusing I apologize ahead of time. If the head cannot remain perfectly still during the swing and even Homer ( if I understand him correctly)basically says to do the best you can to keep it steady, isn't this somewhat a case where "seems as if" produces the feel of a still head that we are trying for even if it is not really still.
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