Fixing an off-plane downswing

[tongzilla]

The Impact Plane Line is in front of you and down on the ground.

I don't want to be the party pooper, and I know this doesn't really matter but...

Isn't the Impact Plane Line slightly above the ground since the Clubface rarely contacts the ball right at the bottom? The lower the loft of the club at Impact, the more 'above ground' or towards the equater the Impact Plane Line becomes.

[Yoda]

Isn't the Impact Plane Line slightly above the ground since the Clubface rarely contacts the ball right at the bottom? The lower the loft of the club at Impact, the more 'above ground' or towards the equater the Impact Plane Line becomes.

The Impact Plane Line (the true Geometric Plane Line per 2-J-3, 2-N-0 and 7-5), the Visual Equivalents (2-J-3) and the Delivery Paths (10-23) appear to the player to be:

"...inscribed on a horizontal surface -- that is, ON THE GROUND. This is an optical illusion that, when understood and utilized, offers tremendous advantages because it furnishes very apparent equivalents to an invisible basic."

-- Homer Kelley (2-N-0)

So, Leo, just swing toward the ground. You'll be all right!

[bts]

O.K., I'm never going to stop being a hacker unless I fix this. On video, I see that I have the classic hacker's "over the top", too steep downswing. I'm trying to fix this by "holding back" my right shoulder until I switch my weight to my front foot. Unfortunately, for some reason, this has resulted in the return of topped and fat shots that I had almost eliminated from my game. The cure is worse than the disease in that I at least had a fairly repeatable swing before; now my vertical radius is wildly erratic.

I'd appreciate drills, swing thoughts, training aids, anything that might help, the simpler the better. By the way, I'm a swinger. Thank you.

teach

Love others posts, which are great. Here is my perspective on this.

It seems that you are doing at least three things here, to HIT the BALL STRAIGHT with the CLUB, with the ball flight ("Ball Flight Intention" I call it) as your primary concern, besides moving the club ("Club Intention") and your hands ("Hands Intention"). You may have three options here, too.

If BFI works the best for you, then adjust it to "slightly to the right of the target" or "hit it slightly to the right with the club".

If BI/II (Ball Intention/Impact Intention) works the best for you, then you "hit the inside after quad. (instead of the back) of the ball with the club".

If you would like to work on CI or HI, then "trace the plane line" or others as mentioned in other posts.

[SwingNorthtoSouth]

Teach, muster up some Courage and do what Yoda suggests.Watch the Ben Doyle tape, especially the begining........

teach,

You are subconsciously Steering (3-F-7-A) the Club toward the Target instead of Down-and-Out toward the Plane Line (1-L #10 and #13). And the only real cure is to rid yourself of that addiction.

Do a ton of Start Down Waggles. First without a Club and then with a Club. Focus on your Hands and their responsibility to maintain the On Plane alignments. Make sure you Drag the Hands (and butt end of the Club) directly toward the Plane Line. In your practice, mentally draw a straight line (Delivery Path) from the #3 Pressure Point to the Ball and move your Hands directly along this line throughout the Downstroke (6-E-2). Use a mirror, too. Don't trust Feel alone. Front and Down-the-Line views. Look, look LOOK until you get it right. Then go at it with a Ball.

Practice the Inside-Out Cut Shot Therapy with short Chips. And hit a ton of Acquired Motion Pitch Shots, too. Make sure you have a Finish Swivel in your Total Motion (12-5-3). See my post #6, Item #10 in this thread http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=2224. Do whatever you've got to do to get that Club moving through Impact on the correct Inside-Out Path. Because until you do, nothing else really works.

[SwingNorthtoSouth]

Make the plane line the Target!!

[YodasLuke]

O.K., I'm never going to stop being a hacker unless I fix this. On video, I see that I have the classic hacker's "over the top", too steep downswing. I'm trying to fix this by "holding back" my right shoulder until I switch my weight to my front foot. Unfortunately, for some reason, this has resulted in the return of topped and fat shots that I had almost eliminated from my game. The cure is worse than the disease in that I at least had a fairly repeatable swing before; now my vertical radius is wildly erratic.

I'd appreciate drills, swing thoughts, training aids, anything that might help, the simpler the better. By the way, I'm a swinger. Thank you.

teach

5-0...but, especially during Start Down (waggle will help) - maintain the Clubhead Lag relationshipto the Plane Line - not to the body. That - failure to clear the Right Hip (Roundhouse) can initiate almost every alignment disruption, including SHANKING.

[12 piece bucket]

- maintain the Clubhead Lag relationship
to the Plane Line - not to the body.

Ballgame,

What relationship are we talking here? On-Plane?

Could you distinguish the two (body vs. Plane Line)?

Thanks!

B

[teach]

Yoda,

Thank you very much for you clarification. It changed the way that I conceptualize the swing.

In addition, I appreciate the replies of all of you who added your thoughts.

teach