LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Tracing the plane line Thread: Tracing the plane line View Single Post #29 12-24-2009, 12:37 AM Yoda Administrator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 10,681 Clearing the Hip Turn Fog Originally Posted by gmbtempe I agree it is a problem, I don't even see a turn until very late, almost a fake turn to the finish. It appears like 7-14 is non existent in my swing. I found this in 7-16 that may be useful for the issue The true Homer Kelley Hip "slide" is very misunderstood. A major part of the problem is of his own doing: In the 6th edition, he changed the definition of Slide Hip Turn from 'Slide with no appreciable Turn' to 'Slide with delayed Turn'. Unfortunately, he did not change the illustrating photos 10-14-B #1 and #2 (hence, their obvious "no Turn" on either the Backstroke or Downstroke). He also failed to change the Shift/Turn constraints under Component #14 in the Chapter 11 summary. Then, some 25 years later, we get the post-humously published 7th edition. Not only did it fail to correct these oversights, it also listed the Slide Hip Turn as the selected Variation of Component #14 in both Basic Stroke Patterns (12-1-0 and 12-2-0). So now, we have a new generation of TGMers who must come to grips with the radical 'Slide' photos being 'what the TGM stroke looks like'. Not to mention that the Slide Hip Turn (or even the Standard and Delayed Hip Turns) is incompatible with the also new Rotated Shoulder Turn Variation as Component #13. Which, itself, is incompatible with both the Standard Pivot (listed Component #12) and the Line Delivery Path (listed Component #23). So, where were we now? Ah, yes: Given the current state of published affairs, what is the correct interpretation of the Downstroke Slide Hip Turn? Leaving your Right Hip in its Backstroke Turn, just get your weight back to your left side, then . . . Turn! __________________ Yoda Yoda View Public Profile Send a private message to Yoda Visit Yoda's homepage! Find all posts by Yoda