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Old 08-04-2005, 12:49 AM
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:11 AM
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DG,

I apologize for my mistake...you did say 12-2 which IS drag loading(swinging)...I overlooked that fact ...My mistake...not paying close attention.

10-24-B with Swinging is exactly what Chuck Evans and Lynn Blake suggested I switch too from Automatic Snap Release at the workshop at Pine Needles...

Chuck and Lynn felt it was more compatible....why ? ..I do not know

They had me trigger "Manually"with a wrist throw shortly after start down... Perhaps it was a Hand Throw...But I don't think so because they said nothing about the #3 Pressure Piont releasing ALL the Accumulators slowly and evenly.

They just talked about releasing #2 with A Left Hand Karate Chop keeping the right hand palm up to the plane...

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I never said that or implied that ...about AI'sand Chapter 12..

Lynn demonstrates those checklists to a "T"...Saw it live for myself..

Let's just face it...we're never gonna see eye to eye on anything...

You're right ...I am wrong ...let's not make this personal...

There are far more important things in life than trying to prove someone wrong!!!!

And I more than anyone else, NEED to follow this advice!!!

Please... let us " Leave it at that!!!"

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Old 08-04-2005, 07:28 AM
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They just talked about releasing #2 with A Left Hand Karate Chop keeping the right hand palm up to the plane...
Skywalker,

When executing the Karate chop type motion. Would the Left Wrist be Uncocked while the left plam is against or facing the plane? Or is it Impact Swivel then Uncock? Or may be it depends on grip type? Or may be I'm a psycho?

Still incubating the Karate chop. But I can demonstrate precision execution on a fried pork chop sandwich (mustard and white slaw).

Thanks!

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Old 08-04-2005, 09:15 AM
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12 Piece check out Lynn hitting a 6 iron video in the Gallery.
If you play it frame by frame.
Personally I feel the Karate chop stays against the plane then swivels
after contact. The swivel is not forced just happens by itself.
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by mb6606
12 Piece check out Lynn hitting a 6 iron video in the Gallery.
If you play it frame by frame.
Personally I feel the Karate chop stays against the plane then swivels
after contact. The swivel is not forced just happens by itself.
Yes, this is something I want to ask Yoda himself.

I thought the Karate Chop is suppose to teach the Sequenced Release used by Swingers. Hitters use a Simultaneous Release, which basically feels like one big Angled Hinge Action on the downswing (a result of the turning of the body and the orbiting left arm), or a Paddlewheel Motion (if they have Turned their Left Hand on the face of the Inclined Plane at the Top). Sequenced Release is more compatible with the Throw Out action of Centrifugal Force. Simultaneous Release is more compatible with the Drive Out action of Right Tricep Muscle Power.

Any comments? Should Hitters use a Release Swivel (Uncock then Roll) into Impact? I thought Hitters should only use a Finish Swivel. What was Yoda actually doing in the aforementioned video?
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mb6606
12 Piece check out Lynn hitting a 6 iron video in the Gallery.
If you play it frame by frame.
Personally I feel the Karate chop stays against the plane then swivels
after contact. The swivel is not forced just happens by itself.
Yes, this is something I want to ask Yoda himself.

I thought the Karate Chop is suppose to teach the Sequenced Release used by Swingers. Hitters use a Simultaneous Release, which basically feels like one big Angled Hinge Action on the downswing (a result of the turning of the body and the orbiting left arm), or a Paddlewheel Motion (if they have Turned their Left Hand on the face of the Inclined Plane at the Top). Sequenced Release is more compatible with the Throw Out action of Centrifugal Force. Simultaneous Release is more compatible with the Drive Out action of Right Tricep Muscle Power.

Any comments? Should Hitters use a Release Swivel (Uncock then Roll) into Impact? I thought Hitters should only use a Finish Swivel. What was Yoda actually doing in the aforementioned video?
Swingers do the Uncock and swivel back to impact. For a swing on the back stroke, the swivel should be completed by hip height or sooner and on the down stroke it doesn't start until reaching hip height (aprox positions)

Hitters motion is such that the swivel isn't completed until the top and on down stroke it is just a continuation of movement to impact

At least that is the way I understand the action
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Skywalker,

When executing the Karate chop type motion. Would the Left Wrist be Uncocked while the left plam is against or facing the plane? Or is it Impact Swivel then Uncock? Or may be it depends on grip type? Or may be I'm a psycho?

Still incubating the Karate chop. But I can demonstrate precision execution on a fried pork chop sandwich (mustard and white slaw).

Thanks!

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Not Mr. Skywalker, sorry.

The left wrist uncocking motion is done while the left hand is "palm-down" to the face of the plane. Uncock on-plane then roll. Sequenced release.

I don't believe grip types don't change that, but 10-2-D does mean the clubface is being thrown along with the clubhead in one motion. With 10-2-B it isn't.
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Skywalker,

When executing the Karate chop type motion. Would the Left Wrist be Uncocked while the left plam is against or facing the plane? Or is it Impact Swivel then Uncock? Or may be it depends on grip type? Or may be I'm a psycho?

Still incubating the Karate chop. But I can demonstrate precision execution on a fried pork chop sandwich (mustard and white slaw).

Thanks!

B
Not Mr. Skywalker, sorry.

The left wrist uncocking motion is done while the left hand is "palm-down" to the face of the plane. Uncock on-plane then roll. Sequenced release.

I don't believe grip types don't change that, but 10-2-D does mean the clubface is being thrown along with the clubhead in one motion. With 10-2-B it isn't.
Thanks man! What exactly is "throwing the clubface at the ball?" I noticed in another section in the book, Mr. K states that "throwing the clubface at the ball" is a no no. But then later he says it is compatible with 10-2-D and swinging.

Fog rolling in . . .

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Old 08-05-2005, 10:17 PM
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Left Wrist Cock and Uncock (Vertical Motion) -- Clubhead Motion

Left Hand Turn and Roll (Rotational Motion) -- Clubface Alignment

Regarding the last sentence of the first paragraph of 2-P:
  • "Only with a Turned Left Wrist, such as 10-2-D, can Uncocking be both motions, that is, actually Throwing the Clubface at the Ball."

With the recommended Strong Single Action Grip (10-2-B), the Clubface Impact alignment is established in Fix with the Left Hand Vertical. During Release, the Clubhead is thrown by the Uncocking of the Turned Left Wrist. The Clubface is aligned by a separate Roll of the Left Hand into its Vertical Alignment for Impact. These actions are Sequenced for Swingers and Simultaneous for Hitters (4-D-0).

With a Strong Double Action Grip (10-2-D), the Clubface Impact Alignment is likewise established in Fix. However, with this Grip Variation, the Left Hand is Turned On Plane. During Release, just as in the Strong Single Action Grip, the Clubhead is thrown by the Uncocking of the Turned Left Wrist. But, because the Turned Left Wrist is also the Impact Alignment, no separate Left Hand Roll is required to Square the Clubface. Hence, Uncocking the Turned Left Wrist throws both Clubhead and Clubface at the Ball.
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Old 08-06-2005, 12:41 PM
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Pull w/ passive wrists v.s. push w/ active wrists. That's pretty much it.
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