Im thinking that the unbending of the right wrist doesnt undo the RFFW. Maybe it isnt as pointy a "wedge" anymore as the right arm and club become more inline but the right forearm and club can remain on the same plane...........the plane of the right hand bend. What is lost is the LAFW if the clubhead passes the hands.

The right wrist for sure flattens and the left wrist bends during the FINISH swivel (EDIT) on full power shots as CF has it way with alignments but most really good golfers quickly re establish both of the flying wedges at FINISH (EDIT).

Phil and VJ are swingers who allow all but the #3 pressure point on their right hands to drop off the grip in an effort to avoid a right hand powered over swivel. In so doing the right hand can be seen to bend abruptly but it isnt really on the grip anyways.

The right wrist bend and unbend would be a numbered power accumulator if it wasn't at the expense of the Flat Left Wrist........ geometry over ruling physics in this case. You dont really need the power the right wrist could supply anyways. Radial that it is.

Nice post. The RFFW does lose the amount of wedge but you're right... the right arm moves Towards an inline condition with the shaft but never gets there. I guess that's where the loss of the RFFW meets the loss of the LAFW.

I think VJ and Phil use the 3pp as a point of thrust and as a result of this final throw of the club (intentional for sure!), they lose the 1pp.

Not sure I follow you here. Is this a right arm throw or left hand throw or? I hope you dont mean active right hand unbending as a throw, golfs deadliest move.

its all about overtaking.
 

Right hand unbending is really a LAFW deal, as it creates horizontal left wrist motion, arching or bending that is death to lag and compression. Normally a poor golfers way of allowing the clubhead to overtake the hands, as it must.

The solution being to roll the flat left wrist through impact.......overtaking without bending! The move that Yoda says "will take you immediately to the next level". "Why? Because thats where The Golfing Machine LIVES , thats why" My favourite Yoda quote and video of all time.

Interestingly though there are numerous pro's , teachers even that in an effort to fight the overswivel subscribe to a sort of hold off move for even the longest of shots. They are afraid of unbridled overtaking and so avoid it. If only they knew how to release instead of trying to avoid it all together! Aligned, rolling, flat left wrist release as opposed to overswivel, left wrist bending or at the opposite extreme hold offs.

So Slice with appologies to one of our fellow countrymen, the right hand doesnt stay fully bent at all times, there is overtaking, a release swivel and the grip end does point down the line in follow through, not behind you or what ever. To have it any other way would be to hold it off, good sometimes, when needed but not all the time. You cant drive it like that or hit long irons like that and play with the best. George didnt do that, Moe didnt do it either. It aint really The Canadian Move or whatever.

So Im inclined to think that the clubs full potential is being achieved with a bent right wrist, flat left wrist at impact but only if the entire power package is in the process of free but "aligned rolling" that will for full power shots see the right wrist flatten for a brief moment during the release swivel.

My third lesson with Yoda. I get to the swamp early to practice some chipping and alignments. Readying myself for the teachers eye I dutifully get to both arms straight with a flat left , bent right wrist combo, the left hand and club face remaining perpendicular to the basic plane of my choice. Horizontal , vertical, angled. I had it down. Yoda drives past the chipping green in his red Jaguar waiving. Getting out of his car he points at me and slaps his firm left hand in approval of my display of alignments. All is good right? Ill chip with him blissfully for hours right? Wrong.

"Follow me" says Lynn and we head over to a split rail fence that he wants me to hit over with little 10 foot, sky high flops from total motion. Totally undoing the somewhat rigid set of wrists I had achieved over a winters worth of practice at an indoor dome in Canada. I struggled badly until I let go of the tension , got more rope handle ish and most importantly added a Throw. Some of the balls I hit may never be found in the woods of Marietta.

The lesson, I think, was that impact alignments are not ideally achieved via tension. Golf is a motion, hitting or swinging. A journey from Address to Top to Finish. Yoda was looking for me to achieve my impact hands dynamically, freely while on the way through the three stations. The right hand is not held in a bent position in a wooden manner, nor is it fired.

The Finish Swivel is the bridge between Follow Through and Finish and apparently somewhat of an acid test for a golfers total motion. You start in Basic, move to Acquired but then you have to deal with the Release Swivel and all it implies to what proceeded it.......you cant pass this test without freedom of movement in your hands. The right wrist does flatten but freely, briefly, on its own as opposed to actively. (Unless you are doing it for a specific short shot say with intentional throwaway a 10-3-J type flop shot say that we see the pros doing around the green on tv. But that was like lesson 7 with Yoda)


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I think that its a pp3/right hand throw of the clubhead where the clubface is somewhat regulated with left forearm rotation.

vj, phil, couples... all these guys throw pp3 and their bottom hand comes off the club and the left hand is left to regulate the hinge action - or lack of because the CLUB has some uncontrollable momentum

How can the right elbow ever be on plane when the right shoulder and right forefinger are on plane ? The right elbow is bent most of the time so how can it be on plane ? When I watch my right elbow it never appears to be on plane, nor can I get it (or the right forearm) on plane. I have the Alignment Golf DVD but the claims of right forearm on plane has me totally confused. Please help.

Welcome to the forum tm.

I believe you might be thinking about Impact perhaps. The "on plane right shoulder" concept describes an Alignment associated with the beginning of the downswing, "Startdown". Basically, after you have bumped to the left in some manner assuming a full swing, your right shoulder (as opposed to your hands or arms) is the first component to "accelerate" and take the entire Power Package down plane towards the ball. The "period of shoulder acceleration".

When viewed from down the line, the angle from the ball to the right shoulder at Top is referred to as the "Turned Shoulder Plane". So the right shoulder is on this plane already by definition. Get the left arm on this plane too and where the right shoulder goes so goes the rest of it, ideally down towards the ball as opposed to out and over. Practicing this with "Start down waggles" is a great, great drill.

Hit the search function with some of these key words for more and most likely better information.

There is big typo in the above. I wrote "Get the left arm on this plane....." when I meant to write "get the left palm on this plane......." Sorry, Tm. Hope you havent hurt yourself tying to contort yourself into this alignment.

TM upon reviewing all of this again, I had another thought as to the source of the confusion. That is that the "plane" of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge (the plane of the Right Wrist Bend. See 6-B-0-1, Flying Wedges) is not one and the same as the "Inclined Plane". The RFFW will normally lay on the Inclined Plane through the ball, but doesnt do so elsewhere in the swing. The plane of the RFFW is ideally maintained throughout the entire swing.

In addition while the Right Shoulder may move down the Inclined Plane in Startdown it does not stay on the Inclined Plane. In short there a bunch of different "planes".

This is one heck of a confusing welcome, I bet. But the fog does lift, or so Im told :)

When you bump to the left, does this move drop the right elbow in front of the right hip and then the right shoulder goes down plane?