Is it that simple?
 

By zeroing out the pivot, you control your backswing with RFT? A "slight" backswing would allow you simply drive your shoulders and arm according to whatever your desired hinges? On a full-blooded drive, do you carry your shoulder all the way back?
Smooth strike right? Do you simply roll the back shoulder and hit your aimpoint with your wedges (based on which hinge/ball shape)? As long as you know your aimpoint, timing almost doesn't matter?
If I imagine pushing my back/right foot against a wall, the back shoulder rotates and right arm thrusts, like Tommy Armour's driving the back leg!

Lastly,Jeff, how many different types of cuisines can one find in Center City Toronto? Is the Senator Steakhouse still operating?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Pat

The zeroing out of the Shoulder turn was only to isolate the right arm's motion during the takeaway in a full swing. A real golf swing will need the pivot to provide the IN of Back , Up and In . Just realized I made a typo in my post to you. I said BACK when I meant IN before sorry. The pivot provides the IN. Ill correct it.

The Senator is still there but the jazz bar up stairs is long gone sadly. It was one of the nicest rooms in the city.

No Worries!
 

I knew what you meant. It is very cool to see the simplicity of the RFT. You helped me understand why I always doublecock the wrists. I simply had no idea of the pivot's necessity and power. I did RFT without the pivot! :confused1

I just deduced that if I push my flat left wrist along the infinite straight planeline I get the pivot and a weight shift and level handle as in a chip or pitch or bunker shot or on my way up plane for a fuller shot. I guess Yoda keeps weight forward to give himself a better sense of shoulder control for whichever hinge he is employing. It seems so logical and simple and DO-ABLE. God bless America, Canada, ok, everyone, and Tiny Tim! :)

Pat

I'm Back
 

The pectoral muscles hold the shoulders forward and inward. All other actions disrupt the relative sides and angles of the triangle.

I need to stop the disturbance of "extra" shoulder movement.

The Bear

Gett'n close ..........but if you push the left wrist it aint an RFT is it? Its all very similar to what we do all day without thinking about it. You reach for something, your brain and your hand working together, the hand going to its target , the pivoting just happening naturally and in no way aligned to the target......cause it doenst need to be. We'd be totally spazoid if it were any other way. We dont move like anywhere else so why in golf? It a false logic, one of many. Just take your hand, your bent right hand to its destination...........Top , Right Shoulder High. Trace while your going back and down. Thats about it. The pivot will comply in a just as much as is needed manner, not too much , not too little.

If you have ingrained other moves, actions , you will need to turn them off.

For the Standard Shoulder Turn, the Right Shoulder can move back on nearly a horizontal plane . This was Brian Gay's swing thought when he won at Harbor Town last year. Right Shoulder flat back. Hands go up, under right elbow bending power. Just like in the McDonald drills. Their movements must be separated, which requires a loose shoulder to arm attachment.

Ideally you dont even think about your shoulders, it just complies with what your brain and hand are doing. Like when you're reaching for a mug that is behind you and on a high shelf in the kitchen.. You just reach for it, no thought to pivot. Hands to Pivot!!!!!!!!! Is natural, how we do everything.

Going down the Right Shoulder has a job to do as it takes the Hands downplane towards the ball on a Turned Shoulder Plane. See 2H Shoulder Motions. Standard Shoulder Turn