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VJ - you wrote-: "I just don't understand why you don't take a closer look into Hogan's pivot sequence."

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What have I been doing for the past two years?

Jeff.

Much appreciated

Jeff

Many thanks for the time and effort you have invested in this thread. It has until now been compelling reading.
:salut:

Yeah, I'm sure this is the same "Jeff" that likes to create arguments over at iseek as well. I think he basically tries to prove that he's the smartest man on earth. It gets old very quickly...

Whatever. His motives are immaterial to me. His points are what matter and they have been well thought out, well presented and civilised.
Attack the argument - not the man.

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Originally Posted by Jeff (Post 53192)

vj

I have a few questions regarding your concept of planar shifts in Hogan's swing.

This is the photo from your book.

You have drawn two planes - a backswing and downswing plane - and implied that Hogan swung on the lowered downswing plane because of the movement of his center of mass leftwards in the late backswing, so that it is closer to the pivot axis. I cannot understand your point of view from two angles.

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Jeff i know you won't like this but i have to tell you that VJ is absolutely 100% correct in how he has interpreted Hogan's golf swing. Hogan lowered the plane in the transition it is clearly evident even with the head position lowering as well. Now since Hogan at impact hits virtually the same plane line as where he was at address postion what does that tell you? Well any further so called "shallowing" or dropping (whatever you want to call it) of the plane would make him be underneath and have a raised handle at impact.So putting all the math together Hogan made an "over the top" move with his ARMS but not with his BODY.

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Originally Posted by golfguru (Post 53184)

KOC if we could even attempt to speak in Cantonese I am sure you would have a giggle at it! You do velly well (and for those who think this unPC, KOC knows I grew up speaking Chinglish:laughing9 ).

I grew up eating "force-feed duck"...In Hong Kong, it was called "force-feed duck" education system, student just receives a lot of information and knowledge everyday,but they don't get to find the answer most of the time...:laughing9

BTW, here is a new clip that i like very much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfL55xLTNCc

The backswing-transition into downswing is more pronounced from frame 5 to 6 in this one. Hope golfbulldog will like it.

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Originally Posted by KOC (Post 53183)

Golfbulldog,

Your clip led me to make another one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf12pH7sUkA

Back to this topic, many members have disclosed the missing piece move from VJ’s book, here and somewhere else, we knew that VJ figured it out that Hogan’s weight was….

I think that is the “weight shift” issue and therefore hip motion, hip turn and knee action in the yellow book. I also related to what Mr. Hogan talked about in his 5-lessons book regarding Ed Stewart's left knee. I also noticed that Moe Norman said “:..I play into my leg, not on top of it.” I also noticed Jody Vasquez talked about the correct functioning of the right leg and my own take on that as the right feet and leg feel the ground and put against it for the change of direction at the “top”.…IMHO, the combination of the above is the essence of the rotary and lateral move.

Sorry if you guys don't know what i am talking about...hehe….sometime it is difficult for a Chinese to say in other language precisely.

This is very much a possibility that Golfbulldog and Koc are alluding to that the left knee breaking inwards in the transition will force the right buttock to move laterally naturally without having to think about it

I think Hogan's secret is that he learned NOT to disrupt #3 through the ball.

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 53212)

I think Hogan's secret is that he learned NOT to disrupt #3 through the ball.

True - I would add his "magic of the right forearm" getting it on plane is equal or better than any video I have seen. His right forearm gets on plane early in the downwing and just stays there. Homer chose "magic" for a reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VBhjRgrpKQ

2mins 10 secs..." as he is in his backswing he's starting to go forward..."

magic move...

Sam Sneed and the rest of the world do it completely differently...but Jim McLean demonstrates this move rather than the Hogan move that he and VJ have correctly identified.

Hogan -- "Golf As a Standard Sequence of Motions"

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Originally Posted by KOC (Post 53208)

BTW, here is a new clip that i like very much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfL55xLTNCc

Remember, everybody, this is one of Ben Hogan's now classic deliberate 'slow motion' swings, much like those he demonstrates in his clip in our Gallery. See the Hogan Home Video at http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...ry.php?cat=516

To understand the broad boundaries of the 12-Section Motion, see Chapter Eight of The Golfing Machine.

:)

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Originally Posted by mb6606 (Post 53215)

Hogan did this since he was 16 years old (maybe earlier) though mb6606. Have you seen Hard Case from Texas?