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purehogan 11-06-2005 10:50 PM
Woods??
 
Annikan-I know this is a little off from the post but from what I hear you say Woods is moving towards more of a swinging motion would that put the Harmon motion more towards a hitting motion and the Haney/Jacobs method more of a swinging?

What do you think of what Woods is doing with Haney?

Would love to hear your opinion of Hank Kuehne who used to be a Haney guy and has run back and forth and now seems to be hitting it sideways??

bantamben1 11-06-2005 11:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by purehogan
Annikan-I know this is a little off from the post but from what I hear you say Woods is moving towards more of a swinging motion would that put the Harmon motion more towards a hitting motion and the Haney/Jacobs method more of a swinging?

What do you think of what Woods is doing with Haney?

Would love to hear your opinion of Hank Kuehne who used to be a Haney guy and has run back and forth and now seems to be hitting it sideways??

now seems to be hitting it sideways i have always liked hank but he has always been pretty wild

lagster 11-06-2005 11:57 PM
What is the Same?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lagster
The list so far...

Vijay Singh
Fred Couples
Tom Weiskopf
Lee Trevino
Wayne DeFrancesco
Ben Hogan
Mac O'Grady
Tiger Woods
Keith Clearwater
Neal Lancaster
Charles Howell III
Steve Elkington
Elliot Gealy
Mike Bennett
Bobby Clampett
Annika Sorenstam
Christian Cleaver
Tom Watson
Mark Calcaveccia
Greg Norman
Ernie Els
Jamie Hallet
Ted Fort
Lynn Blake
Jack Nicklaus
Tom Tomasello
Matthew Goggin
Nick Price
Miller Barber
Orville Moody
Davis Love
Padraig Harrington
Johnny Miller
Byron Nelson
David Toms
Tom Bartlett
Sam Snead
Gary Player
Chip Beck

Several of these were mentioned more than once. Lee Trevino, I believe has been mentioned the most so far.
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OK... add Jay Haas, Bruce Lietzke, George Knudson, Mickey Wright, and Moe Norman.

What are the SAMENESSES in these players?

bantamben1 11-07-2005 02:50 AM
i actually looked at all the stats once from players from the last twenty years and lietzke kept popping up. his ballstriking stats was always very high. and the cool thing was he never practiced what a lucky fellow

tongzilla 11-07-2005 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by lagster
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OK... add Jay Haas, Bruce Lietzke, George Knudson, Mickey Wright, and Moe Norman.

What are the SAMENESSES in these players?
They all have 24 Components!

lagster 11-07-2005 10:53 AM
Same
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tongzilla
They all have 24 Components!
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24 COMPONENTS... and most, if not all, have BALANCE, are on PLANE, at least through around release point(9-2-9)to separation, and have CLUBHEAD LAG to some extent.

Anything else?

phillygolf 11-07-2005 10:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lagster
The list so far...

Vijay Singh
Fred Couples
Tom Weiskopf
Lee Trevino
Wayne DeFrancesco
Ben Hogan
Mac O'Grady
Tiger Woods
Keith Clearwater
Neal Lancaster
Charles Howell III
Steve Elkington
Elliot Gealy
Mike Bennett
Bobby Clampett
Annika Sorenstam
Christian Cleaver
Tom Watson
Mark Calcaveccia
Greg Norman
Ernie Els
Jamie Hallet
Ted Fort
Lynn Blake
Jack Nicklaus
Tom Tomasello
Matthew Goggin
Nick Price
Miller Barber
Orville Moody
Davis Love
Padraig Harrington
Johnny Miller
Byron Nelson
David Toms
Tom Bartlett
Sam Snead
Gary Player
Chip Beck

Several of these were mentioned more than once. Lee Trevino, I believe has been mentioned the most so far.
Nice job compiling the list Lagster!!!

I'd like to hear from some of the...uh hum...older folks. Those that have seen both Trevino and Hogan. I only have tape and have not had the privelege to see either live. Anyone?

EdZ 11-07-2005 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by denny.
Haas and Lietzke had their long careers because of their ability to hit the sweet spot every day for over 40 years each.
Hogan is #1. Knudson and Micky Wright and Moe Norman should get some votes.
I sure wish I had seen them in person! (which was why I didn't include them in my list)

Jamie Hullet (not Hallet) - LPGA player - VJ if you ever get the chance, your mastery of putting is very much needed in her case!

As to what they have in common...

Balance, Plane - and a good Grip for the motion they make.

lagster 11-07-2005 01:06 PM
Trevino/Hogan
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by phillygolf
Nice job compiling the list Lagster!!!

I'd like to hear from some of the...uh hum...older folks. Those that have seen both Trevino and Hogan. I only have tape and have not had the privelege to see either live. Anyone?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>

I've seen Trevino several times. All on the Senior Tour.
I saw him hit a drive that was as straight as an arrow, fairly low, and fairly long. He goes through that little routine... then that ball tears out of there. I know a former tour player that used to play practice rounds with Trevino. He said he was by far the best ball striker.

I know a tour player from the 50's and 60's that played with Hogan. He said the SOUND he produced from striking the ball was quite unique. Snead did not like to play with him, because his tempo(Hogan's) bothered Sam.

birdie_man 11-07-2005 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by lagster
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Snead did not like to play with him, because his tempo(Hogan's) bothered Sam.
Really? That's funny....ya they are kinda polar opposites tho.

I don't get how Hogan's swing can even work with his fast tempo.

I mean....he's a Swinger right? I dunno....I tend to fall towards the slow side I guess....doesn't work when I Swing fast like that.


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