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kmmcnabb 04-04-2006 05:28 PM

Paddlewheel again
 
Oh my gosh, I think I paddlewheel all the way to impact while uncocking and I know I swing. Is that wrong? Also, Chuck Evans demonstrates paddlewheel using a tennis racquet which makes it clear what is meant (unless Chuck is wrong of course).

So, should I not paddlewheel as I downswing through impact? Just asking. TGM novice.

By the way, definitely some hostility here on this thread.

but not by me.

lagster 04-04-2006 05:57 PM

Tomasello
 
The Tomasello procedure that I remember him using most was...

1) Fairly narrow stance
2) Strong Single Action Grip
3) Used Horizontal or Angled Hinging... the way he explained this was very simple-- Horizontal- toe up to toe up // Angled- one way he liked to get this was to take it back with the face looking at the ball a little longer(no Turn). This made it pretty easy to get a little reverse rotation through the ball, resulting in a little fade.// Vertical- toe up to face up(bunker shots)
4) Right Forearm Pickup (He wanted you to Clear the right hip before cocking up)
5) Start Down(from TOP)-- He used several different ways of doing this, but the one I think he liked a lot was to (PULL) STRAIGHT DOWN. You could do this with the muscles of the right arm, left arm, or both. (Longitudinal Acceleration) Make no effort to go FORWARD! DOWN, THEN IT WILL SWITCH ENDS when it is ready.
6) End up with that MACHINE FINISH... Watching the ball fly from underneath(eyes not level), and have a "little kink in that right wrist."

This is a brief explanation. I realize some of his methods were a little different, but they did work. He simplified a very complicated book, and brought many people to TGM that probably would have given up on it otherwise. He made it FUN, also.

He taught other procedures also, but this is the procedure I remember most.

Delaware Golf 04-04-2006 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
There's a bit of mistaken identity here, Weightshift.

Lee Dietrick (ldeit) supplied the Tomasello Video Letter Series.

Delaware Golf supplied its predecessor, the Tomasello in Australia Series.

Thanks Yoda,

Chapter 4 is part of the Australia video chapter series.

DG

jim_0068 04-05-2006 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmmcnabb
Oh my gosh, I think I paddlewheel all the way to impact while uncocking and I know I swing. Is that wrong? Also, Chuck Evans demonstrates paddlewheel using a tennis racquet which makes it clear what is meant (unless Chuck is wrong of course).

So, should I not paddlewheel as I downswing through impact? Just asking. TGM novice.

By the way, definitely some hostility here on this thread.

but not by me.

let the haters battle it out.

Swingers can paddle wheel too, i just said "usually" it's hitters.

Weightshift 04-05-2006 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
There's a bit of mistaken identity here, Weightshift.

Lee Dietrick (ldeit) supplied the Tomasello Video Letter Series.

Delaware Golf supplied its predecessor, the Tomasello in Australia Series.

Thanks. Yes, he appears a lot older in the Video Letter series -- and in the other series I seem to remember him saying "..here in Australia.." at one point. Such a pity that he is no longer with us, I would have loved to have met him.

<B>jim_0068</B> has provided "<i>paddle wheel motion is a slow consistant closing motion from the end of your backswing to impact usually used with hitters. It's closing and un-cocking at the same time at a steady speed all the way downplane. Swingers t[d]o the opposite, it's a sequenced release meaning they first un-cock and then roll into impact</i>"

Having, yourself, closely worked with Homer Kelley, do you have any "inside knowledge" as to why a paddle wheel was chosen? Feathering or partly feathering the blades of a paddle wheel, while the wheel is rotating at a constant speed, could be used to control the speed of the vessel. Frankly, I don't see the connection to the golf swing.

Regards,
Alan

Yoda 04-05-2006 10:25 AM

Understanding Paddlewheel Motion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Weightshift

Having, yourself, closely worked with Homer Kelley, do you have any "inside knowledge" as to why a paddle wheel was chosen? Feathering or partly feathering the blades of a paddle wheel, while the wheel is rotating at a constant speed, could be used to control the speed of the vessel. Frankly, I don't see the connection to the golf swing.

The Paddlewheel reference has nothing to do with Zone #2 (Clubhead Power) and everything to do with Zone #3 (Clubface Alignment).

The blades of a paddlewheel remain vertical to their axis of rotation. So, too, does the golfer's Flat Left Wrist remain vertical (through Impact) to one of the three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Angled or Vertical). This Left Wrist Paddlewheel Action -- Hinge Action per 2-G -- produces an equivalent Clubface Paddlewheel Action with its corresponding Rhythm (Left Arm and Clubshaft remaining In-Line per 6-B-3-0).

And the basis of it all is the straightening Right Arm (Right Forearm and Elbow Action) executing its own Paddlewheel Motion. It is this Action that directly (Muscularly Hitting) or indirectly (Centrifugally Swinging) drives the Left Arm Flying Wedge and assures the proper Clubface Closing through Impact.

Weightshift 04-06-2006 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
The Paddlewheel reference has nothing to do with Zone #2 (Clubhead Power) and everything to do with Zone #3 (Clubface Alignment).

The blades of a paddlewheel remain vertical to their axis of rotation.

I have a problem with your "remain vertical to" terminology. A blade is either vertical or it is not. Vertical is absolute. I would rephrase this to read "The blades of a paddlewheel remain perpendicular to their axis of rotation", if that is what you mean.

(Oxford Concise Dictionary)
HORIZONTAL: Of, at, the horizon; parallel to the plane of this, at right angles to the vertical.
VERTICAL: Of, at, the vertex or highest point; at the zenith; perpendicular to plane of horizon.

The axis of rotation of a paddlewheel is the spindle on which it turns. At any given moment only two blades can be vertical (absolute) and only two blades can be horizontal (absolute).

Before I go any further - do you agree?

Regards,
Alan

JohnThomas1 04-06-2006 09:39 AM

You have gone from knowing nothing of a paddlewheel

"Even with all my years in the Navy, I've never seen a paddle wheel -- and can think of nothing that it might do that would illustrate an action in the golf swing. Please explain."

to knowing LOADS

"I have a problem with your "remain vertical to" terminology. A blade is either vertical or it is not. Vertical is absolute. I would rephrase this to read "The blades of a paddlewheel remain perpendicular to their axis of rotation", if that is what you mean.

(Oxford Concise Dictionary)
HORIZONTAL: Of, at, the horizon; parallel to the plane of this, at right angles to the vertical.
VERTICAL: Of, at, the vertex or highest point; at the zenith; perpendicular to plane of horizon.

The axis of rotation of a paddlewheel is the spindle on which it turns. At any given moment only two blades can be vertical (absolute) and only two blades can be horizontal (absolute).

Before I go any further - do you agree?"

you are one very fast learner.

Yoda 04-06-2006 11:52 AM

TGM-Speak: Reconciling Vertical And Perpendicular
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Weightshift

I have a problem with your "remain vertical to" terminology. A blade is either vertical or it is not. Vertical is absolute. I would rephrase this to read "The blades of a paddlewheel remain perpendicular to their axis of rotation", if that is what you mean.

Weightshift:

You are correct in that 'vertical' means 'perpendicular' or 'at right angles to,' and I encourage you to use that term if you prefer. The term is, as you say, "absolute" in that it defines a 90 degree relationship between, e.g., two surfaces. However, that relationship can be with any given plane, not just the horizontal. Which, of course, makes it "relative." :smile:

And that is the way the term is used in TGM: Vertical (or perpendicular) relates to each of the Three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Vertical and Angled) and not just to the Horizontal. In other words, it is possible to be Vertical not only to the Horizontal Plane, but also Vertical relative to the Vertical and Angled Planes.

Do this for me:

Stand a pencil on the cover of a book laying on a table. The pencil is perpendicular -- or vertical -- in relation to the book (and its horizontal plane). Now, holding the pencil in place, stand the book upright (in a vertical plane). Though the pencil now may be said to be horizontal (in relation to the horizontal plane), it remains perpendicular, or vertical, to the book (and its now vertical plane). The same holds true when the book is tilted on any angled plane, i.e., the pencil remains perpendicular, or vertical, to the book (and its now angled plane).

Similarly, holding the Flat Left Wrist perpendicular, or Vertical, to any one of the Three Basic Planes of Motion -- Horizontal, Vertical or Angled) imparts its Motion to the Clubface. That is good news, because...

When you control the Left Wrist...

You control the Clubface.

And when you control the Clubface...

You control the Ball.

And when you control the Ball...

You control the Game.

:cool:

Delaware Golf 04-06-2006 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
Weightshift:

You are correct in that 'vertical' means 'perpendicular' or 'at right angles to,' and I encourage you to use that term if you prefer. The term is, as you say, "absolute" in that it defines a 90 degree relationship between, e.g., two surfaces. However, that relationship can be with any given plane, not just the horizontal. Which, of course, makes it "relative." :smile:

And that is the way the term is used in TGM: Vertical (or perpendicular) relates to each of the Three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Vertical and Angled) and not just to the Horizontal. In other words, it is possible to be Vertical not only to the Horizontal Plane, but also Vertical relative to the Vertical and Angled Planes.

Do this for me:

Stand a pencil on the cover of a book laying on a table. The pencil is perpendicular -- or vertical -- in relation to the book (and its horizontal plane). Now, holding the pencil in place, stand the book upright (in a vertical plane). Though the pencil now may be said to be horizontal (in relation to the horizontal plane), it remains perpendicular, or vertical, to the book (and its now vertical plane). The same holds true when the book is tilted on any angled plane, i.e., the pencil remains perpendicular, or vertical, to the book (and its now angled plane).

Similarly, holding the Flat Left Wrist perpendicular, or Vertical, to any one of the Three Basic Planes of Motion -- Horizontal, Vertical or Angled) imparts its Motion to the Clubface. That is good news, because...

When you control the Left Wrist...

You control the Clubface.

And when you control the Clubface...

You control the Ball.

And when you control the Ball...

You control the Game.

:cool:

Nice Yoda,

What an open mind Homer had...

DG


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