Originally Posted by comdpa

The proper downstroke shoulder motion is facilitated by a hip slide which tilts the axis of the shoulders.

Originally Posted by comdpa

[b]Per 2-N-0 "There must be an Underhand Pitch motion and Feel. If there isn't you are "Roundhousing"

Originally Posted by comdpa

Too many folks start off in the proper sequence UNTIL they get to the shoulders part and then they spin out (around) instead of getting the right shoulder to move downplane which makes it go Down then Out and then Forward.

Originally Posted by HoganFan

Comdpa, finally had a free night to get in to my book, with your notes in hand. My head's spinning, quite honestly but here goes anyway.

Can you point me in the (book's) direction of how much hip slide to employ?

"Underhand Pitch motion" is this what most golf teachers refer to as moving the shoulder "down the line?". That is, it feels as if the right shoulder is moving parallel to the target line? "Roundhousing". If I were to not begin with a hip slide, but simply (and incorrectly) just turn my tilted upper body towards the target--is this "roundhousing"?.

Okay, "Down" I get. Its the opposite of up. "Forward" I get--towards the target line. But "Out" cooks my noodle a bit. Out to which direction? Many thanks for any light you care to shed. I've sort of been waiting a few years for this site--and for folks like you who care enough to spend time fog-lifting for folks like me.

Originally Posted by HoganFan

Fantasic, I can't thank you enough! Back to "nose in the book", will post when I come up for air.

Originally Posted by comdpa

First off buddy,

HIP SLIDE - How much do I need?

Well, the answer is somewhere between too much and too little.
I am kidding...

Book out please...

To recap, why do we need the Hip Slide?

...for proper shoulder motion
Per 2-H ""On Plane" Right Shoulder Motion is possible only by tilting its axis - the spine."

...to prevent roundhousing
Per 10-5-0 "Round Housing in the effort to avoid Hip and Right Elbow collisions - in both directions."

Per 7-14 "...and so avoid Right Elbow and Hip interference and its "Roundhousing" Throwaway (4-D-0) during the Start Down."

...to harness Centrifugal Force
Per 2-L "Concerning #2 - a rotating motion will pass through a given point if the axis is tilted properly..."

How much to Slide?

Per 7-14 "Not otherwise could the weight be shifted and the Shoulder Turn Axis be tilted without moving the Head."

In summary, your slide is sufficient if it allows the hips to clear without moving the head. This is the Hula Hula Flexibility Mr Kelly speaks of.

What is Round Housing?

Roundhousing causes your shoulders to go over the downstroke plane which usually should be the Turned Shoulder Plane.

Per 7-13 "...you will "run out of Right Arm" before the Hands reach Impact Position - an automatic Throwaway (7-14, 8-6)"

Per 6-H-C "Take all Strokes to the Both Arms Straight Position (8-11)". If you are not able to execute this, it is a sure sign that you are roundhousing.

Simple drill to ingrain an "Underhand Pitch Feel"

1) Take a golf stance against a wall.
2) Place the left hand against the wall and lock it there.
3) Do your Right Forearm Takeaway.
4) Swing the Right Arm under the left.
5) Observe that your right shoulder is automatically under the left.

Your next question...what is Down, Out and Forward?

Per 2-C-0 "Your main lines of defense are the Flat Left Wrist, Hinge Action and a Three Dimensional Downstroke - that is, DOWNward (Attack Angle) AND OUTward (Plane Angle) AND FORward (Approach Angle)..."

To understand "DOWN"...Look at a swing sequence from a face on view. From the top, notice how the hands come DOWN to Impact Hand Location.

To understand "OUT"...Look at a swing sequence from a Down The Line perspective. From the top, notice how the hands move OUT to Impact Hand Location.

To understand "FORWARD"..Look at a swing sequence from an Overhead view. From the top again, notice how the hands move FORWARD to Impact Hand Location.

I appreciate that without pictures it is hard to understand the 3-D downstroke. If Annikan could illustrate 2-C-0, it would be great! :D

Originally Posted by jr33

This is my biggest problem hopefully i can get it fixed.:D

Originally Posted by comdpa

I appreciate that without pictures it is hard to understand the 3-D downstroke.

Maybe this is what you mean:)
Issued from Tiger's book "How I play golf" (Golf Digest Editions)
Comdpa, you really know what you are speaking about!!!
Merci;)