I am a believer!!!!!!
 

I met up with Jim 0068 today. He gave me some concepts of the hitters swing on the range and we went out to play a quick 9. First I was scared to death taking it back with a shut face. I thought this is going left and low and hard left. I hit the ball great at the range and hit some great shots on the course as well. What is amazing is how simple the swing is and how my dispersion has tightened up with a few pointers. Thanks Jim! You've wetted my appetite to go see the dynamic duo..Lynn/Ted. Thanks Lynn for this site. Thanks to Hue for telling me about this site. It has been an eye opening experience.
Frank

More than happy to do it!

This TGM stuff isn't that hard, you just need someone to translate it for ya ;)

Seen the light
 

Another convert!?...did anyone tell him about the seven days of fasting and that he must shave his head? :twisted:

Ted, I can deal with the shaved head but the seven days of fasting might make me skinny enough to qualify as a swinger!!:cool: :cool:

:lol: :lol:

ok, help me out here, the closed face may be a key to me I've been missing. I'm about as true a "hitter" as you'll find, according to Ted and Lynn, who should know.

Lately ball striking as been good, but I'm getting a bit more drift to the right than I would like. Ball flight takes off straight then starts fading off, a bit much for my liking.

If I want to straighten this out, or even draw the ball, what alterations should I make to my "hit"?


Thanks

hitters fade the ball, it is a result of angled hinging. However there might be a lot of different reasons why it's fading too much.

Too many to list here, however my guess is that you are coming into the ball TOO OPEN and thus when it lays back it has layed back too much and the fade is bigger than you need.

As a "test" really arch that wrist and hit from that position, then gravitate back towards a flat left wrist

Jim,
I too am a hitter, but draw the ball. I would love to fade the ball. What compensations do you think I am making to hit the draw, sometimes sweeping hook on most shots? I have gone back to practicing with acquired motion, and can get the ball to fade to the right when coming down. I just can't get it to happen in my full motion.

Well here are a couple things to check, not sure if they are the problem but it can cause what you're talking about:

1) Making sure you're driving all the way to both arm straights. If you don't get to both arms straight and start to come back in and to the left you'll hit pulls/draws/pull hooks etc

2) Make sure you're left wrist isn't breaking down at impact, if you are driving the right arm down and out and are letting that left wrist break down (bend) it will close the face and you'll hook it.

Hit chips/pitches and really drive to both arms straight with NO SWIVEL. Look at your alignments, make sure the left wrist is flat and the right wrist is bent

8-cork, I use to draw the ball as well and have starte fading for one reson, and that was number 2 on jim_0068's list.

Brian Manzella would call it a leakage hook. Wrist breaks down slightly and the face closes. It's almost what I would call a false draw. It works ok if timing is perfect, if you're a hair off a snap hook can happen in a heartbeat.

It helps me to think of swinging the forearms not the hands.

If you're a decent player i've come to the conclusion that bent left wrists are a result of a poor downswing pivot, specifically the hips stop rotating. It's a chain reaction, hips stop, pivots stop, arms fly through, hit the ball, clubhead flys past the hands.

Just my humble opinion

I think that is exactly my problem, when my timing is good, I play very well, but I can also hook it off the course at any time. The pro at the course I play told me the other day that I needed to work on my pivot. I have been so preoccupied as a hitter working on my hands I have ignored my pivot. Any ideas on how a hitter can develop a better pivot?

another kool-aid drinker...:) welcome

take the club to the top, consciously hip slide, then snap your hips. Don't worry about club/ball contact. Just start training the hips.

Once you get the feeling, do a normal "hit" at half speed. Focussing on turning your hips and getting to a finish.

Once you're on a good "track" take it at full speed

Guys, remember Delivery Paths guides the Hands, while Delivery Lines guide the Clubhead.

Both Hitters and Swingers use a Straight Line Delivery Path per 12-1/2 Basic Patterns (swingers use top arc straight line, but still a straight line).

So, swinger should not use a curved delivery path as suggested by rwh? that means no hip turn first for swinger?

Just so there is no confusion with the lurkers and those who don't post...hitters slide parallel to their delivery line yes, but it is a CROSS-LINE move.

Just wanted to throw that in there.

How can you close the cupface enough to stop the push? I use a cross line and the ball goes straight to the right. I used a closed stance by pulling my right foot back, at the top I use a straight line hands/shoulder to the ball.

If you're a Hitter, you have the option of sliding parallel to either:

1. the basic Geometric Straight Plane Line (usually, but doesn't have to be, the Target Line)
2. the Angle of Approach

For the Swinger, they usually only use 1).

Make sure you're using Angled Hinging.

Remember that the whether your stance is open/square/closed doesn't really matter. The most important thing is that your Plane Line is closed, per 10-5-E.

Set up the clubface facing your intended target at Impact Fix, or even a little closed to the intended target for longer clubs. This allows for the 'opening' of the clubface when using Angled Hinging.

Hmm...learn something new everyday i guess. However, isn't the preferred motion cross-line though?

Thanks