Clubhead Speed
 

You Guys who went to old waverly witnessed some amazing things but the clubhead speed demo (by virtually everyboby)was a big thing that anyone can learn a ton from.DIFFERENCE IN CLUB HEAD SPEED for a 14 yr old between psycho ( vj's term for swinging out of your pants ! )and ACQUIRED MOTION.?-with a 7 iron.:question:

I remember the difference between a five iron full swing and a four iron aquired motion swing was only 1 mph. VJ did the swinging.

Not unless you tell us more:) please

Please elaborate........

One issue was that a player can be more accurate using an acquired motion swing than a full motion swing. Yoda wanted to demonstrate the dynamics of the issue. He had VJ test these dynamics by first using a five iron with a full motion swing and recorded a swing speed of 91 MPH. Then VJ used a four iron with an acquired motion swing and recorded 90 MPH. This demonstrated that a golfer can use one stronger and longer club with the more controllable acquired motion swing, have only marginal change in distance and reduce all of the risks associated with full motion golf swings. In other words, why not use the acquired motion as a standard procedure for any shot for which a longer club exists. It seems like common sense.

VJ's comments were that the acquired motion swing was more controllable, easier and more likely to hit the target.

My comments are that:
1) VJ has one of the best golf strokes I have ever seen in my life. He should be on the Tour.
2) When they talk accuracy, they are not talking about hitting the green from 200 yards, they are talking about being next to the pin, whereas I'm happy to be near the green. VJ's five iron was only off line by five or more feet or so. No big deal for me. But it makes a big difference to him.
3) It's easier for me to hit my distances with a full swing than it is with a 3/4 swing.

But don't listen to my words alone. There were a lot of people there and they all have different perspectives. I'm not saying that this procedure is restricted to low handicaps only. It's just that for VJ, his accuracy improved and he reduced many risks, but for me, my accuracy is no better with the aquired motion than with the full motion swing and my risks don't get reduced. At 180 yards, pin right and bunker in front, I'm adding a club anyway and going for the fat of the green.

I can't remember the young lad's name (forgive me!)but v.j.had him hit an iron "flat-out".He(v.j.) then got him to make a controlled ,balanced full swing,then an aquired motion swing.The exact speeds I can't remember but these are close-72mph,80mph and 82mph respectively.This was the extreme result but EVERYONE who tried this was within 2-3mph of their full swing speed with acquired motion.As Daryl said in his post ,the demo by v.j. was VERY impressive.

How does one acquire "acquired" motion?

Hi Neil,

I must have been doing something else during this demonstration. Did this demonstrate that there just insn't much difference between a full swing and acquired motion? Or, does it mean that there may be something wrong with our swings?

Speak to, and befriend, his good buddy Basic Motion.

Once Basic Motion decides that the time is right, he will pass you over to his mate, Aquired Motion who will then prepare you, once he considers you ready, for the next stage of your G.O.L.F development, Total Motion.

Refer to Chapter 12, "Stroke Patterns" and :study:

Nice one, Burner-Did I learn that!.

Hi Daryl,-It demonstrated that we could all play with acquired motion-and some of us(me included)probably should try to feel as if we are.:question:

Acquired motion is the description in the book of a swing that goes to the right forearm parallel to the ground position on the back stroke and forward stroke-for most of us "a half swing":)

Strictly speaking, it's not Acquired Motion if you've got a Finish Swivel, so I'd be very surprised if people can still come close to their Total Motion clubhead speed using Acquired Motion.

I can relate to how this works because one day I was messing around with a speed stick and did two swing.

ONe was a full out swing where I got 139
the other was a swing where i put myself in the nine oclock position, held that position for a couple seconds, then fired from there.
and the big difference between the two, 4 mph

But did you stop at Follow Through (both arms straight), or did you go all the way to the Finish with the Finish Swivel?

Good point!we went to both arms straight ,right arm parallel to the ground but I am sure we(swingers)all added some pivot so Iguess it was a half swing rather than acquired motion.I apologise for misleading anyone...but it did demonstrate that lots of us swing too hard.Thanks for the correction!:)

I'm always trying to find something wrong (I don't like it either). And I sense something wrong with these conclusions. First, I find it odd that between the few of us on this thread, that we've hit millions of golf balls and hadn't concluded that a half swing or acquired motion swing (whatever) travels almost the same distance as a total motion swing (is my computer broke?). Second, the club head travel distance between acquired motion and total motion can be almost double in some players. Given this increase in acceleration time, I would think that a total motion stroke would travel much farther. On the other hand, I saw VJ.'s swings and MPH results with my own eyes and a 4 iron acquired motion is equivalent to a Total motion 5 iron.

So, maybe we are "jumping to conclusions". I mean that there is other information that we aren't considering. First, The difference between a 4 iron an a 5 iron may be 10-12 yards with a full swing. I wasn't out in the range with a measuring tape so I don't know how far each ball traveled. So we don't have a control sampling. We didn't take 50 full swings with both clubs and 50 acquired motion swings with each club and measure the results. The test I saw compared the club head speed between a 4 and 5 iron using acquired and total motion respectively. Secondly, did VJ "put more into" the acquired motion than the total motion? I don't know. Third, maybe "our" collective total motion club head travel distance is not as much as double our acquired motion travel distance.

I would agree that when I think of an acquired motion vs. total motion, that the ball travel distance should be greater than the nearly and only 1% difference in club head speed. But, I've been wrong many times. I do think that there is something to this. I'm just not sure exactly what. I know that when faced with a critical distance shot I'm more comfortable with a full swing because I pretty well know my clubs distances. Maybe I should get to know their Acquired motion distances too?

know that when faced with a critical distance shot I'm more comfortable with a full swing because I pretty well know my clubs distances. Maybe I should get to know their Acquired motion distances too?


That would make you a tour quality golfer. :)

Length Of Stroke And Clubhead Speed
 

To a point, Length of Stroke (Acceleration Time) is an important factor in producing Clubhead Speed (2-M-2 #3). However, each of us has a Maximum Handspeed that we are capable of producing. And once we've reached that top speed, that's all we can get, no matter how long our Stroke or how much 'effort' we exert.

Think of the runner in a 100 yard dash. Does it take him 100 yards to reach his top speed? No. And once he has reached that top speed, can he run any faster? No. In fact, the best he can hope to do is to maintain that top speed until he crosses the finish line.

And so it is with the golfer and his Length of Stroke.

Lag Loss - 6-C-2-D
 

Beautiful explanation. And this would be related to 6-C-2-D Lag Loss yes?

Experiencing Clubhead Lag
 

Absolutely, Justin. Good call!

When the object being thrust reaches the speed of the accelerating force, acceleration ceases. And without acceleration, lag evaporates. Think of it this way:

Imagine you are in an automobile that suddenly accelerates to, say, 100 miles per hour. You are 'glued' to your seat by the combination of your own inertia and the acceleration of the propelling force.

But if 100 miles per hour is as fast as that automobile will ever go, you -- the lagging component/occupant -- soon 'catch' it. When you are going just as fast as the car, you are no longer 'glued' to your seat: You have 'lost your lag.' In fact, you are free to move about just as if you were in your living room armchair.

Or in an airplane going 600 miles per hour.

Or a space shuttle going 25,000 miles per hour.

Clubhead Lag.

It is the Secret of Golf.