Question for Mac O'Grady followers
 

Those of you that have worked with Mac, would you say that he feels that Homer's work is 30% incomplete or 30% inaccurate. I was looking for some information and couldn't find much.

33.94832% inaccurate. However, more importantly he feels that Homer was a Nazi spy and and if you read the book backwards and upside down- you'd be a +2 in less than three months. It worked for me.

The names have been changed to protect the guilty.
 

First of all 47.3 % of all statisitics are made up.

Mac or Phil O'Grady or Phil McGleno was a former A.I., who is making a name for himself at the expense of those who paved the way for him. While I don't discredit his contribution to golf instruction, I do question his lack of support for Mr. Kelley's work, especially when he want to purchase TGM after Mr. Kelley's passing.

Philibuster
 

Awww do we have to talk about Mr. Tighty-Whitey? Bucket knows!

Well at least you can say "former" AI about him . . . there are plenty of CURRENT AI's who are heavily invested in trashing the book . . .

Seems to me if these cats were all that revolutionary they'd be saying . . .

"Look what I done found out." Instead of . . . "Look at what a dipstick Homer Kelley was and what a bunch of sychophant retards all of his supporters are." How can your platform be . . . I'm a GSED . . . but the book is all wrong.

If you don't like the book . . . fine . . . write your own freakin' book . . . publish it . . . revise it 7 times . . . papa needs a brand new bag.

It's a strange parallel universe deal going on . . . the guys that are most ardently supporting Homer's legacy are considered "outkastz" and the one taking a squirt on the book at every turn are endorsed by the home office.

I used to say this all the time . . . "Wonder what it would be like if Homer was still around?" Well he ain't here and he ain't coming back. It's somebody else's house now . . . needs a fresh coat of paint . . . they ran out of yellow paint at the store . . . but I heard black was on sale.

Empires crumble from within . . .

Surfer knows it too! Just hope a marble don't fall out.

Simmer down 11 herbs
 

Holy crap, Machiavelli! Keep them nitro pills handy! I say Yoda puts out a 24 volume DVD series! There is no marketing benefit for advertising the truth...it promises complexity, and no short cuts but more know how. You can call it the Prunella Domanatrix...or whatever...reword all of HK carefully selected terms and repackage...but there will ALWAYS be 7 Editions for the discerning golfer. I may sound elitist but the TRUTH is a bitter pill...one must not mistake thinking for merely rearranging predjudices. Er...that is all I got to say about dat.

Black Yoda
 

Other than the continuing TGM cyberspace conundrum and its long-sought solution on this site, the first shot across the bow was V.J. Trolio's book, The Final Missing Piece. http://www.thefinalmissingpiece.com/

Given time and discipline, mine will follow.

:rambo:

In between will come the VJ / Yoda video Trilogy . . . soon!

And then the floodgates.

All of which will brighten -- never diminish -- the original yellow.

As they should.

:)

As Bucket would say "Dude- You are on Fire!!!:sunny:

New insurance policy wouldn't cover the medication? Ya, I've been there before!

If you attend one of his schools, you will get his thoughts.

Let me say this, he gives HUGE credit to Mr. Kelley!

If someone is going to understand anything- you need to make sure you understand the context of any statement and likewise when you communicate - it's important to clearly establish the context of your communication.

Here's my take-translation- "Let me say this, If you pay to attend one of his schools- he'll give HUGE credit to Mr. Kelley in the classroom - at the school." "If he's out in public trying to "sell" himself, his ideas, his schools, he'll say that the Golfing Machine has fatal flaws." Because those without integrity- try to climb higher by walking over people.

i'm still looking for a substantive criticism of the book !
 

elygc1,
i have not worked with mr. o'grady but i have heard his criticisms the golfing machine.
mr. o'grady says the book is 65% correct. i'm assuming that this implies that the book is 35% incorrect , and i'm assuming that the criticisms below, according to mr. o'grady , are the total 35% that he considers incorrect. it could be that he has other criticisms for the book being in his words, "tragically flawed", if so he might like to enlighten us.

the criticisms of the book according to mr. o'grady are:
1. there is no bibliography.
2. he doesn't like the terminology.
3. hitting doesn't exist.
these criticisms of the propositions of the golfing machine have the interesting feature that IF ; 1) we tack on a bibliography and , 2 ) we simply change words that signify certain concepts , and 3) we make the simple point that it is possible for a human arm to push against the clubshaft , ( i don't think it would take a team of "researchers" to study this in order to to verify the truth of this empirical proposition ,i believe anyone could test this for themselves .) THEN these criticisms of the propositions of the golfing machine are no longer criticisms . the book is now 100% correct .

thus , the criticisms of mr. o'grady are a matter of taste and misunderstanding

your golfing machine comrade in arms :salut:

p.s. comrade yoda , where did you get those icons with the bandanas and blood on them ? i would like to have an entire army of those little guys !

How come I didn't get one of them smilies?

I'm old and tired.

:rambo: : rambo : (without the spaces)

I thought I would answer your request comrade, lest you send your army of rambos after me!

Yowza! I like how you connect them dots!

Are you Oprah?

You forgot ugly and transgendered . . . .

Book regurgitator . . .

A toast to the Good Life!
 

Now that is a good one. I am not standing in front of him when he lines up a putt.

substantive criticism
 

Hey Comrade . . . here's some "substantive criticism" of the book . . .

It's absolutely impossible to understand . . . heck even read . . . without a guiding hand.

You find me ONE person who has ever been able to get the book without the help of an AI or Homer Kelley directly.

That book should sold as a PDF file that is capable of being searched. And should come with multimedia to demonstrate the concepts. Mr. Kelley did the best with the technology he had . . . a freakin' typewriter (not even a word processor).

But we have the techology now to basically make the book accessable to the "masses." Will it ever happen???

this ain't no taco bell revolution !!!!!
 

mrodock,
it's nice to have the little golfing machine revolutionaries behind you ??!!!

:rambo: :rambo: :rambo: :rambo: :rambo: :rambo: :rambo:

for the golfers of the future !!!
 

12 piece,
the world is a complex place and the game of golf is even more complicated. do not blame homer kelley for that ! he did not make it that way .
but his 42 year effort was made so you could fully understand the game. let me regurgitate a little of the book for you ," 1-b."

there may be someone out there who has grasped the book in its entirety without the help of an ai or homer kelley, but i doubt it. it is too abstract , dense , and there are too many propositions to keep track of. 42 years worth !! more regurgitation , ' the "whole picture" is your total visualization of all the individual visualizations of specific areas. both the total and individual pictures must , in their beginnings , be vague and disjointed . but...'

which is why i think your idea of the book as a pdf and having multimedia demonstrations is great . a few years after i started reading the book i thought of the multimedia demonstrations . it would have made it much easier for me and it would make it much easier for the masses .

will it happen ? perhaps someday , but all great revolutions take a collective effort and the work that all of you are doing on lynnblakegolf is great ! but if this is not enough , we may someday need , in order to drag the golfing masses into their necessary future , reeducation camps !!:rambo:

So let me ask you this . . . . first of all keeping in mind that I would say that Homer Kelley was definitely the greatest "golf mind" of all time and one of the the better minds of our time . . .

Do you think the Golfing Machine is a great BOOK or a great CATALOG or just great INFORMATION?

Homer Kelley took upon himself a very ambitious task in writing the book and trying avoid any reduncancy . . . . do you think he succeeded in his task? Would the book have been better as a true CATALOG with supporting volumes to gird his foundation? I'm mean the dude has 80 plus hours of recorded classes of him talking nonstop. Not many people can talk 80 hours about anything . . . and that was just the RECORDED classes.

I think the Machine moving forward would be MUCH BETTER SERVED by truly bringing organization to his works. Rather than trying to add to them. We could organize his words rather than PUTTING WORDS IN HIS MOUTH.

Suggestion
 

If anyone reading this is considering revising the book, I would give thought to separating the hitting and swinging stroke completely. As far as Homer being able to speak that long, it probably seemed to him that he was just scratching the surface.

UPP in freezing Ohio

Inane Chatterings
 

Bucket,

I tend to agree with you (further evidence of my descent into the abyss!) But you know as well as I do...heck you know even better than me that the process of "decoding, deciphering, hand wringing, hair pulling, wailing and gnashing (pronounced with an unsilent g) of ivories is one of Homer Kelley's enduring contributions. You are top 1% in terms of knowledge... few have turned over more yella rocks than you have. HK has reordered a neural pathway...or two...don't ya think? In addition to more information than any one person can use in a golfing lifetime, there are some very pertinent philosophical applications to be enjoyed from the book. Mr. Kelley may not have been an engineer in the educational sense...a classic case of not being educated into embicility. I love to be around thinkers...even if it is interacting with the written words they left us. It is a thinking person's book, and may never enjoy the public acclaim it richly deserves, although I think certain stroke patterns will see the light of day. The hardest work is REAL thought. You gotta wrastle with it. Personally, Bucket, I am glad you started wrastling with it before I did. Of course, we are all thankful for Yoda taxing his neural pathways. :salut: I hope not too many cells fell by the wayside:laughing9

Props for Hjacknicklaus...a true gentleman!

I'm guessing dollar "bill"
And as usual - I'm right again!

1. Better organization thru multimedia technology could make this book COME ALIVE . . . for everybody . .. it TRULY be a book for the "duffer" . . . if properly organized and the concepts were demonstrated in bite sized portions. When you can see it . . . it really ain't that big of a deal.

2. Your slumming around this website is counter to this statement . . .did you mean "stinkers?"

3. The greatest priniciple of economics is . . . . the COLLECTIVE KNOWLEDGE of the market is GREATER than any one man's knowledge could ever be . .. same with the Yellow book . . . we all stand atop the shoulders of those that have gone before us . . . just pray that Mike O isn't the one climbing up your back . . . bring your cork.

4. Hjacknickluas is on drugs.

What are you talking about retard?

Masterpiece
 

Tom Tomasello called the book "a masterpiece", but even he admitted that without the help of an A.I. that it would most likely not make much sense.

The book sales are probably better than they used to be... but if the book was made more readable, it would probably sell quite well... maybe even be a BEST SELLING golf instruction book.

The influence of TGM is starting to become more obvious to the public. Lynn now has a tour winner, and others that are doing very well. It is also becoming known that the Stack and Tilt teachers believe in the value of TGM. Other teachers are now giving TGM some credit as a valuable tool. At the last P.G.A. Teaching and Coaching Summit I attended, several of the presenters mentioned TGM and Ben Doyle in a positive manner. Of course Mr. O'Grady also got much of his information from TGM.

I wonder if any of you think as I do regarding AI's straying from the path. I've found that any lack of perfectly clear understanding of TGM concepts causes one to search elsewhere for rationalization and solutions.

I couldn't pick O'Grady from a police line-up, but I would assume 'misunderstanding' of anyone finding so much wrong with the Yellow Book. So many think they understand the constructs. Just like Bucket, who thinks he understands the concept of the “Endless Belt”, yet totally abuses and exploits its application. Who would think? :laughing9 Even more alarming is that the current owners of the 7th edition may possibly misunderstand it too. :laughing9 :laughing9 :crybaby: :naughty:

" some (homer) will be born posthumously "
 

i agree

yes, all three. a great intellectual achievement !!

yes he achieved his goal of brevity. but i wouldn't try and rewrite it. and i don't think that you can read the book enough.

i think lynnblakegolf is bringing organization to his work. i love your idea of multimedia but it could cause deep divisions over the presentation of the material and/or the interpretation of it.

Mathew Boyd -- TGM Multimedia Pioneer
 

Mathew's animations in our Gallery represent the promise of those future multimedia presentations. He and I collaborated as LBG was getting underway. I had long dreamed of seeing Hinge Action (and the Geometry of the Circle and the Plane and a number of other things!) as an animated presentation. When he produced his 3-D animation -- he is not a professional and taught himself to use the software -- I was astonished. My posts introducing the Hinge Action Animation reflected my admiration for his creativity and conviction that it was nothing less than historic work.

Mathew had made it happen!

No big deal? I beg to differ. As few as four years ago, only a handful of people in the world (amateur or Authorized Instructor) truly understood Hinge Action. Fewer still could correctly articulate and demonstrate it. And then, via Mathew's inspiration and perspiration . . .

There it was!

Hinge Action visually presented so simply everyone could understand. For the human application, see my Hinge Action Videos #1 and #2 here: http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...ry.php?cat=517

I was grateful to Mathew then.

We should all be grateful to him now.

:salut:

Beavis . . . Please school me on how I have missed the boat on Endless Belt . . . I'm sure you'll have your opportunity to pick people out of police line up at the big throwdown in October when you and Mike O shack up in a hotel room/van.

Waiting patiently on your Endless Belt analysis . . . start another thread . . . game on.

Just think if there were a CD that contained the text from each edition in different colors or something . .. with supporting audio of Homer's classes for each section (I know of a certain mongoloid who may just be anal enough to do something like that) and supporting video demonstrating the text or virtual stuff as Yoda pointed out that Mathew expertly did.

Yoda does a 4 minute video on wedges and people go absolutely ape shizzle because of how much they learned . . . just imagine if the whole book were supported with a cd or something that actually fleshed the deal out with video and Homer rappin'.

It COULD BE amazing . . . instead we just get "Homer's science sux." Let's do another AI class. Great . .. thanks for that. When they gonna take it to the street??? Quarter'til never.

It’s not a “How-to” Book.
 

Not arguing that it IS a how to book . . . We are talking about materials to SUPPLEMENT the book, make it more accessable and understandable to people who would probably run from it after reading chapter 2.

The information in that book COULD if properly organized and presented with all the available technology change EVERYTHING.

When do we fight about the Endless Belt?

Agree with you bucket, leave the book alone, no 8th edition needed....

William Shakespeare is dead, nobody should write a sequel to Macbeth...but you can happily write books that make the great writers books easier to understand...like this one

http://www.amazon.com/Macbeth-Pengui.../dp/0140770089

This is the kind of book that needs to be written, it could stand alone with references to TGM .... or be part of a multimedia version of TGM.

Is there any copyright reasoning whicj prohibits an author not part of TGM writing a "passnotes" style book to explain TGM ??

Law and orders
 

Hope you have a good lawyer. The home office is very protective of their business and anything to do with Mr. Kelley and TGM.