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hjacknicklaus 03-03-2008 06:45 PM

The incrediBle Ben HOGAN PHOTOS
 
firstly i give kudos to golfresearch.com

i give them the credit for having the photos we are about to enjoy


bagger i hope this is ok


http://golfresearch.com/hoganpictures/index.html


GREAT GREAT PHOTOS

HJACK

Yoda 03-03-2008 08:23 PM

Drag Loading With Ben and Yoda
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hjacknicklaus (Post 50585)

GREAT GREAT PHOTOS

Thanks, Howard. Gotta love it!


Yoda 03-03-2008 08:53 PM

Elbow Trauma
 
In Five Lessons, Ben Hogan said the elbows should point toward their respective Hips. And that the upper arms should be 'glued' to the chest with the elbows 'bound' together.

Notice in the photo, that Ben himself absolutely did not do this! Recently, a John Schlee disciple -- John was an ex-Tour player and teacher who professed to have been told Ben's secret -- wrote a book wherein Hogan purportedly told Schlee (paraphrased) that "No, I didn't do it that way. But, if I had it to do over again, I would."

:shock:

Thank goodness Ben got it right the first time! Otherwise . . . the Golf World would never have learned the name Ben Hogan.

:(

I should know, because as a young man relying on the authority of Hogan and his Five Lessons -- and over a period of years -- I hit about a million golf balls that way. Throw in three other concepts very much in vogue as I came along -- not Ben's, except for maybe the weak grip -- and any chance I had to play top flight tournament golf was ruined. Check out this Elephant's Graveyard of Misbegotten Instruction:

(1) The Square to Square swing (including a 'Weak' Grip with the left thumb down the top of the shaft);
(2) The now infamous Reverse C (Head well 'behind the ball' and with the back severely arched at the Finish); and

(3) Drive the Legs (irrespective of Hip Slide and Turn) and by all means, keep the knees flexed through Impact and all the way into the Finish.

Ugh.

Worse than ugh:

](*,)

Why did I succumb to this drivel? Because I was ignorant. As were the authors of the books and magazines I read and depended upon. Not to mention the many talented players who fell off the Tour and into oblivion because of it. As you can see, despite these many years since, I've still got a bit of a 'tude where this (and related) misinformation is concerned.


Bottom Line:

Do as Ben did, not as he advised you to do.

:)

Yoda 03-03-2008 09:11 PM

Hogan's Arm Alignments
 
Notice Ben's Level Left and Right Wrists, bent Right Elbow and On Plane Right Forearm. His Flying Wedges are perfect . . .

And a far cry from his dictate to "keep the elbows . . . as close together as possible throughout the entire swing". It's not about keeping the elbows close together: It's about the Right Forearm Wedge supporting the Left Arm Wedge! That structure -- with Extensor Action and the Right Wrist in its Impact Fix degree of Bend -- will position the Right Elbow.

Most of Hogan's book was right on, but he and his collaborators missed on the alignments of the Arms -- as he did with the Inclined Plane . . .

Big time.


hjacknicklaus 03-03-2008 09:46 PM

Analysis
 
Lynn

I know your very busy, but i must i say find your analysis of the Hogan photos very informative.

When time allows could you maybe do a few more photos and comment on them.

thanks

hjack

O.B.Left 03-03-2008 09:47 PM

Yoda

Did Hogan employ extensor action? Did someone other than Homer first describe EA?

Yoda 03-03-2008 09:59 PM

Hogan Inspiration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hjacknicklaus (Post 50594)

I know your very busy, but i must i say find your analysis of the Hogan photos very informative.

When time allows could you maybe do a few more photos and comment on them.

Thanks, hjack. I appreciate your putting up this thread and inspiring me to post!

Homer Kelley always said, "I thrive on questions." And so do I. It absolutely is the way I work best.

Tonight as I clicked through the sequence, it was the above three photos that jumped out at me and seemed worthy of our readers' time. I did have other thoughts, most of which would be rather pedestrian to readers of these threads.

I'll click through again and see what might add value.

:salut:

12 piece bucket 03-03-2008 10:07 PM

1. Is there a way to purchase those photos?

2. Has there ever been anybody that looked better in a pair of pants than Ben Hogan . . . Classic Style. Love that dude . . . .

Thanks for putting that up!

hjacknicklaus 03-03-2008 10:16 PM

If i may
 
Lynn

There is no doubt that the readers of these threads and others are very

accomplished and constantly learning about the golf machine.

Because of my rehab i have spent quite a bit of time at home.

I notice this site has many visitors, and to see photos of one of our

greats,ben hogan and add commentary by you ...will be special.. not only to golf machine folks but golf enthusiasts who heard so much about Hogan and now get to understand him a bit more....

what do they say?? one man's ------- is another man's gold

hjack

Yoda 03-03-2008 10:21 PM

A Brief History of Extensor Action Instruction
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 50595)

Yoda,

Did Hogan employ extensor action? Did someone other than Homer first describe EA?

Ben Hogan absolutely employed Extensor Action. No one kept his Right Arm at 'full stretch' -- given the alignments of the Plane and the Right Forearm Flying Wedge -- better than he. Even into his eighties, his 'long Right Arm' into the Finish was a thing of beauty, and it served as the model for Tiger Woods's Right Arm Finish today.

Homer Kelley named and defined Extensor Action. He identified it, gave it its precision and endowed it with the importance it deserves. But, he was not the first to teach it. In the classics, at least two others come to mind:

Robert MacDonald, Golf, 1927.

Percy Boomer, On Learning Golf, 1946.

I would also add Seymour Dun, Golf Fundamentals, 1922, except that his emphasis on the "stiff" Left Arm was via strong left triceps action, with nary a mention of the right triceps (and its responsibility).

12 piece bucket 03-03-2008 10:24 PM

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS PICTURE . . .

http://golfresearch.com/hoganpictures/frame_11.html

I may get me a tramp stamp with this . . . . hot.

12 piece bucket 03-03-2008 10:31 PM

Hey Boss . . . how'd you get the photos of the website? I need those!!!

mrodock 03-03-2008 10:57 PM

The magic move as Mr. Penick called it. Get this right and you can become a good ballstriker (assuming semi-educated hands). In the slot better than anybody in the history of the game perhaps:

http://golfresearch.com/hoganpictures/frame_15.html

O.B.Left 03-04-2008 12:15 AM

Did you notice the person shagging balls for him dressed in red?

Could this be his private practice area between the fairways at Shady Oaks?

12 piece bucket 03-04-2008 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrodock (Post 50603)
The magic move as Mr. Penick called it. Get this right and you can become a good ballstriker (assuming semi-educated hands). In the slot better than anybody in the history of the game perhaps:

http://golfresearch.com/hoganpictures/frame_15.html

A fantastic sequence could be made from the down the line shots . . .

There will never be another as cool as Hogan . . .

12 piece bucket 03-04-2008 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 50605)
Did you notice the person shagging balls for him dressed in red?

Could this be his private practice area between the fairways at Shady Oaks?

I noticed that he wasn't in all the shots . . . I'm betting that Hogan took him out sniper style.

O.B.Left 03-04-2008 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 50599)
Ben Hogan absolutely employed Extensor Action. No one kept his Right Arm at 'full stretch' -- given the alignments of the Plane and the Right Forearm Flying Wedge -- better than he. Even into his eighties, his 'long Right Arm' into the Finish was a thing of beauty, and it served as the model for Tiger Woods's Right Arm Finish today.

Homer Kelley named and defined Extensor Action. He identified it, gave it its precision and endowed it with the importance it deserves. But, he was not the first to teach it. In the classics, at least two others come to mind:

Robert MacDonald, Golf, 1927.

Percy Boomer, On Learning Golf, 1946.

I would also add Seymour Dun, Golf Fundamentals, 1922, except that his emphasis on the "stiff" Left Arm was via strong left triceps action, with nary a mention of the right triceps (and its responsibility).



Thanks Yoda

The slack you take up, your lag and your actual slacks are world class too.

Yoda 03-04-2008 12:52 AM

'The King' Noticed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 50609)

. . . your actual slacks are world class too.

There's a story behind this that goes all the way back to the 1964 Masters. We'll start a 2008 Masters thread, and I'll tell you about it tomorrow!

:redface:

mrodock 03-04-2008 12:57 AM

I have to say, even if I were Fred Funk and hit one out of bounds every 125 years I still wouldn't jump onto a golf forum with the name O.B. Left. It would make me gag just looking at my handle. How do you do it?

O.B.Left 03-04-2008 01:39 AM

My middle initials are O.B. A fact that really amused some golfing buddies back when I was 16 or so. The left side or the avoidance there of used to be my main goal back then. I used to have one of those late seventies reverse C type swings back then and could hook a half wedge. My pals thought I was aptly named and added the "left".

For the last 20 years or so I fear not the left side, or a cyber name, touch wood. I can now hit it OB right or left!

Oh frig now Im jinxed, thanks.

Yoda 03-04-2008 02:08 AM

School Days
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 50613)

My middle initials are O.B. A fact that really amused some golfing buddies back when I was 16 or so.

One of 'ol Yoda's better students (about 400 years ago) was named Ben . . . Ben Kenobi. Somewhat of a odd duck -- liked to play with light sabres and all that :confused1 -- and got along well with others (except for this kid named Darth).

:shock:

A-n-y-way . . .

We all called him Obi-Wan.

Yes indeed . . .

Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Obi-Wan.

Obi-Left.

Obi-Whatever.

I love my students!

:golfcart2:

mrodock 03-04-2008 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 50613)

Oh frig now Im jinxed, thanks.

But at least you have a good sense of humor, and if that isn't enough you can claim to have been able to duck hook a 1/2 wedge around a redwood (just remember to aim right).

bambam 03-04-2008 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 50601)
Hey Boss . . . how'd you get the photos of the website? I need those!!!

You're looking for any image that starts with "bgnd_" here: http://golfresearch.com/hoganpictures/images/

12 piece bucket 03-04-2008 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bambam (Post 50621)
You're looking for any image that starts with "bgnd_" here: http://golfresearch.com/hoganpictures/images/

DUDE YOU ROCK!!!!

Ball Turf 03-04-2008 11:00 PM

Snake
 
Did you ask for permission before you snaked them? :liar:

Daryl 03-04-2008 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ball Turf (Post 50646)
Did you ask for permission before you snaked them? :liar:

What does that mean? Snaked?

12 piece bucket 03-04-2008 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 50649)
What does that mean? Snaked?

Stolt . .. Hey they were on the internet for all to see?

Daryl 03-05-2008 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 50650)
Stolt . .. Hey they were on the internet for all to see?

Public domain.

hg 03-05-2008 12:26 AM

Ben&Arnie
 
1 Attachment(s)
12P...you seen this one?

12 piece bucket 03-05-2008 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hg (Post 50657)
12P...you seen this one?

That's a classic . . . I wanted that one framed but the cat wants like $250 or something for it.

I heard those two dudes couldn't stand each other.

12 piece bucket 03-05-2008 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 50654)
Public domain.

What are you talking about? They had clothes on???

dss 03-05-2008 12:39 PM

Ben and Arnie...
 
There is a great recollection by George Archer in the book "I Remember Ben Hogan" regarding the time the 3 of them were together at the Masters...I think that 'smoking' picture is from that round. And, yes, there was no love lost between those two!

hjacknicklaus 03-05-2008 06:38 PM

jack and ben.....ben going to18 at 1953
 
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British Open 1953 Hogan Walking To 18th AT CARNOUSTIE.....AMAZING TO ME........HE PLAYS IN 1 BRITISH AND WINS IT.....



Enjoy
H

mrodock 03-05-2008 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hjacknicklaus (Post 50706)
British Open 1953 Hogan Walking To 18th AT CARNOUSTIE.....AMAZING TO ME........HE PLAYS IN 1 BRITISH AND WINS IT.....



Enjoy
H

And at the same time not surprising at all.

dss 03-07-2008 01:58 PM

B T W...
 
...might that fellow shagging balls for Mr. H be Jody Vasquez???


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