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crawford 02-09-2009 09:33 AM

The TALY and right forearm tracing the plane line
 
Just got the TALY and it really is the business for a flat left wrist and sensing clubhead lag pressure (especially if you also train with the pure ball striker).

Thats two imperatives, leaving just the straight plane line as the thirrd and final imperative.

I was wondering if one could use the TALY as an aid in tracing the straight plane line. I think I read Yoda somewhere saying that one could fix to the inside of the right forearm but I was wondering if it could be used in the normal left arm position also.

Hope you guys can help me with this last tricky element!

Yoda 02-09-2009 09:19 PM

The Gateway
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crawford (Post 61212)

Just got the TALY and it really is the business for a flat left wrist and sensing clubhead lag pressure (especially if you also train with the pure ball striker).

Thats two imperatives, leaving just the straight plane line as the thirrd and final imperative.

I was wondering if one could use the TALY as an aid in tracing the straight plane line.

For my students and me, the Taly is all about keeping the clubhead behind the 'clown's nose', i.e., behind the Hands and the Flat Left Wrist, through Impact and all the way into the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position).

If you do this, then Lag Pressure becomes a 'given', and Plane Line Tracing virtually automatic.

:salut:

KevCarter 02-09-2009 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 61231)
For my students and me, the Taly is all about keeping the clubhead behind the 'clown's nose', i.e., behind the Hands and the Flat Left Wrist, through Impact and all the way into the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position).

If you do this, then Lag Pressure becomes a 'given', and Plane Line Tracing virtually automatic.

:salut:

Yoda,

I have a problem with the Taly that you haven't touched on in your videos. With all the snow outside, I would like to practice basic motion inside with my Taly. It doesn't work for me at all. No matter how hard I smack him with my wedge, my wifes cat keeps chasing the little red ball on the end of the Taly. When he catches it, I totally lose my lag pressure as he just pulls too hard. I could probably just whack him harder, but I don't want to clean up the blood after killing him. Any idea on how to off Kitty without ruining my marriage?

Sincerely,
Kevin

Richie3Jack 02-10-2009 12:34 AM

Kev -

Keep the electric can opener running. Of course, this may lead to the cat's head exploding.



3JACK

Bagger Lance 02-10-2009 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 61232)
Yoda,

I could probably just whack him harder, but I don't want to clean up the blood after killing him. Any idea on how to off Kitty without ruining my marriage?

Sincerely,
Kevin

Kevin - this sounds like a job for MikeO - The Cat Whisperer

Wacking your kitty won't solve anything and will make matters worse. As Mike will tell you, you have to hypnotize it first, then change its behavior.

You need to act quickly so you can get back to Basic Motion work.

KevCarter 02-10-2009 12:09 PM

Hehehe, Thanks guys!
:golf:
Kevin

crawford 02-10-2009 03:02 PM

throwing a dart
 
I had a lesson today with my TGM instructor. He showed me the concept of throwing a dart (or ball) at the golf ball in the address position.

I was amazed at how far to the right I was actually throwing the ball, i.e. flat and from the inside.

This dart throwing exercise seems a a good way to trace the plane with the right forearm, any contributions to this idea?

okie 02-13-2009 10:55 AM

EXlag the cat!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 61246)
Hehehe, Thanks guys!
:golf:
Kevin

Step 1 - slip some laxative into kitty's chow
Step 2 - put kitty in spouses' car
Step 3 - wife will take care of kitty

I heard this is how Bucket's Dad, got Bucket's Mom to get Bucket to leave home at the tender age of 26!

Great 600th post, huh?

KevCarter 02-13-2009 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okie (Post 61303)
Step 1 - slip some laxative into kitty's chow
Step 2 - put kitty in spouses' car
Step 3 - wife will take care of kitty

I heard this is how Bucket's Dad, got Bucket's Mom to get Bucket to leave home at the tender age of 26!

Great 600th post, huh?

Another example of getting the most thorough, real world explanations on the web! :)

Thanks,

Anybody want to buy a slightly used litter box? :laughing9

Kevin

O.B.Left 02-13-2009 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crawford (Post 61254)
I had a lesson today with my TGM instructor. He showed me the concept of throwing a dart (or ball) at the golf ball in the address position.

I was amazed at how far to the right I was actually throwing the ball, i.e. flat and from the inside.

This dart throwing exercise seems a a good way to trace the plane with the right forearm, any contributions to this idea?



Hey Crawford

Tracing and the thrust of the right arm (be it passively or actively , swinging or hitting) are related but different concepts. You need to master both. The Tracing of the Delivery Line of the clubHEAD being a Visual Equivalent to the on plane Delivery Path of the hands.

Your dart throwing is perhaps the more important of the two however in that it is the hands or more specifically the pressure points that we ultimately are swinging, directing or driving down plane and not the clubhead. Also the straight line thrust continues down to both arms straight. That is still "down" even though you are past impact, past low point. All the way down and if on plane "out" as well. Three dimensional impact. Both arms getting straight at follow through. The ball responds to this geometry in a very positive way even on the smallest of chips.

Check out the free videos in the Lynn Blake section of the Gallery. One called "Wedges and Dowels" one called "Hitting vs Swinging".

ob

crawford 02-13-2009 03:22 PM

thanks
 
Thank you for this last reply. I will check these videos out. I am trying to understand if the plane back should be the same as the plane down.

O.B.Left 02-13-2009 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crawford (Post 61313)
Thank you for this last reply. I will check these videos out. I am trying to understand if the plane back should be the same as the plane down.


I would say no, it is one option only. But you might need to understand 1-L-18 to fully appreciate the meaning of the plane. " Changing the Plane angle has no effect on the Plane line."

Of primary importance is that one end of the club points at the Plane Line at all times regardless of the shifts in plane angle. Check out this great animation, 1-L-18:

Go to;
- gallery
-free videos
-at the bottom of the page you will see a drop down menu, scroll down to animations
-1-L-18.

This is what is meant by being on plane. Amazing isnt it that this book is 40 years old. Also note that there are options not shown for shifts in the plane angle.

Yoda 02-14-2009 11:31 PM

Mr. Incredible -- Homer Kelley
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 61321)


Amazing isnt it that this book is 40 years old.

Right you are, O.B.

Just as amazing is that nothing written since has come close to Homer Kelley's precision presentation of Golf's Principles and Procedures.

It was on Valentine's Day, February 14th, 1983, at the annual meeting of the Georgia PGA in Macon, Georgia, that Homer died at the podium delivering his message.

On this Valentine's day 26 years later, it is appropriate we honor his contribution and his memory.

Rest in peace, Mr. Kelley. As we say down home . . .

"You done good."

:salut:

crawford 02-15-2009 05:27 PM

plane line
 
OB,

Thank you. That animation cleared up a lot of stuff for me, I knew that my swing plane changed through the swing but now I know that the plane line is the constant.

I just got hold of the smartstick, it has made a dramatic difference to the quality of strike, 20 yds gained per club, more solid ballflight.

Now I trust it even more having seen that animation. Thanks again, this is what this site is all about.

Crawford

O.B.Left 02-16-2009 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 61335)
Right you are, O.B.

Just as amazing is that nothing written since has come close to Homer Kelley's precision presentation of Golf's Principles and Procedures.

It was on Valentine's Day, February 14th, 1983, at the annual meeting of the Georgia PGA in Macon, Georgia, that Homer died at the podium delivering his message.

On this Valentine's day 26 years later, it is appropriate we honor his contribution and his memory.

Rest in peace, Mr. Kelley. As we say down home . . .

"You done good."

:salut:



Dear Lynn

I stumbled upon this place of yours in the woods of cyberspace several years ago, just by chance, looking for the Hogan home movie tape. Needles to say I found it and much, much more and so Ive happily hung around here ever since. Ive travelled from Canada down to see you four times now and look forward to your trip up here this summer. I'm honoured to call you a friend and mentor both to my game and in many ways the game of life.

Thank you for your efforts to preserve, protect and share the true genius of Homer Kelley. We are all truly indebted to you for this. From Mr Kelley to you and now to all of us. His insights will live forever.

As we might say up here in Canada. "Your doin' pretty good yourself,there, eh?"

Respectfully
ob

O.B.Left 02-16-2009 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crawford (Post 61341)
OB,

Thank you. That animation cleared up a lot of stuff for me, I knew that my swing plane changed through the swing but now I know that the plane line is the constant.

I just got hold of the smartstick, it has made a dramatic difference to the quality of strike, 20 yds gained per club, more solid ballflight.

Now I trust it even more having seen that animation. Thanks again, this is what this site is all about.

Crawford



Thats great Crawford

From tour pro to us seekers here, getting back on plane makes things seem easy again. There is good reason for this too. The ball responds very positively to Geometrically Oriented Linear Force. In fact that is the name of the game and the sub title of Mr Kelley's book "G.O.L.F".

The three dimensional nature of the circle's geometry makes everything so confusing especially when the circle is placed on an inclined plane that shifts up and down about a constant base line. But you know all of this now and so better golf awaits you with this new perception of what is really happening with the club's SHAFT.

Difficult to understand though it is there is a happy ending in that unlike some common golf theories this will not go out of style or morph into something else. Once you understand it, that is it, done, over, on to the next thing. Unless someone rewrites the laws of geometry or physics that is.

So you have new knowledge of the ClubSHAFT's journey through three dimensional space, stick around here and learn of the clubs' FACE and HEAD and those shots of yours will not only be twenty yards longer but more accurate and consistent too as you gain total control of the entire golf club. Club face (direction, hinge action the left hand), head (pressure points, lag etc) and shaft.

See you in the fairway
ob

Collin Neeman 02-16-2009 10:14 PM

The taly is amazing A+ in my book

Yoda 02-16-2009 11:02 PM

Boss Neeman
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Collin Neeman (Post 61356)

The taly is amazing A+ in my book

Agreed.

But . . .

Collin is amazing in my book.

A few months after our first instruction, he was named #1 High School Player in Illinois. One year later, an All American at Southwest Illinois College. Still later, Illinois Metro East Player of the Year.

Now . . . making his way to the PGA TOUR.

Routine 300-yard carries on his drives . . .

Adroit pitches and chips.

Putting as it should be.

Collin Neeman.

Remember the name.

:salut:

Collin Neeman 02-17-2009 01:18 AM

thanks i owe it all to you yoda

crawford 02-17-2009 03:40 PM

Fortune
 
OB, Yoda and you other guys,

Many thanks for helping me to be a better player. I really appreciate it. Its a bit like doing a degree again because there is so much to learn but its translating rapidly into my game. I am now competing with very low handicap golfers having struggled to break 85 last year.

I still want more distance as my drives are only about 230 carry albeit in bleak midwinter here in Britain. I have found the Smartstick just amazing for correcting the plane and sustaining lag. I hope that as I learn all the elements of TGM I will continue to improve. I also think it would help if I got fitter and stronger, anybody got any stories to add on the subjects of TALY, SMARTSTICK AND FITNESS?

JerryG 02-18-2009 08:21 PM

I have been a notorious habitual bender of the left wrist since birth, I think. 62.75 yrs. later I saw a video of Yoda leading instruction of a bunch of gumps like me and he was using the TALY. I bought one and started to use it to putt and chip. Kev Carter points me in the direction of AG, and all things TGM.
I find as I learn using the structure of TGM presented by Yoda and referring to the 7th edition like it was the newest testament, I do not lose ground as I did before. Practice is now with purpose and design.
It is nothing short of thrilling.
I am not on plane yet, but I am scratching and clawing my way.
If you don't have TGM, can it still be golf?

O.B.Left 02-18-2009 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 61389)
If you don't have TGM, can it still be golf?



It may be golf but it probably wont be G.O.L.F.

ob

JerryG 02-18-2009 11:58 PM

Ooh, I like that one. Thanks for the pointer.

crawford 02-19-2009 03:03 AM

Feel through mechanics
 
There is a curriculum that requires mastery.

The best bit is that there is so much positive feedback, fun and pleasure from this study.


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