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Daryl 07-13-2009 09:18 PM

TGM Power Package Video
 
This is the TGM Power Package in Action. He does use a Float Loading Procedure but that's just his feminine side coming out. His Downstroke acceleration Sequence is Perfect because of his Intact and Rigid Power Package. He hits the 3 Wood 300 yards.

The Following Video's illustrate that by using the TGM Power Package Rigid Structure, that the Right Forearm is DRIVEN into Impact and the Hands can indeed be within the Line of Sight to the Ball at Release.

This is a Picture at Frame #1995 at approximately 1:06 into the video.


The following Link is a Video of the TGM Power Package Front View. View in slo-mo and Witness the Right Elbow be Driven into Release. The Above Picture was taken from this Video. ((Don't pay attention to the teacher. He's lost. He's still looking for laces for his Loafers.)) It's obvious that JB and his teacher have no Idea of Power Package and Acceleration Sequence. JB tries to explain what he does during the Downstroke but notice that not once does he demonstrate his Right Elbow Position at Release or Impact. Humpty Dumpty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbd3h...eature=related

This Link is a video of JB Holmes from a birdseye view. Watch the Right Elbow pass the head at Impact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrg07...eature=related

O.B.Left 07-13-2009 09:43 PM

Yup, Float Loading more than he apparently realizes.

He displays a lot of Hitter like Alignments and appears to thrust hard but that is a Pitch Elbow in your freeze frame above no? So, Daryl, given your insight on another post would you consider JB to be Swinger then?

Not trying to raise a ruckus or anything just wondering about JB's action.

Daryl 07-13-2009 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 65964)
Yup, Float Loading more than he apparently realizes.

He displays a lot of Hitter like Alignments and appears to thrust hard but that is a Pitch Elbow in your freeze frame above no? So, Daryl, given your insight on another post would you consider JB to be Swinger then?

Not trying to raise a ruckus or anything just wondering about JB's action.

Oh? Does the Pitched Elbow Look Familiar? I wonder where I saw that before?

JB is a Swinger that Drives the Right Forearm Flying Wedge On-Plane into Release and through Impact. The Difference between JB and other Swingers is that because he Drives the Right Forearm with his Power Package his Right Elbow Continues Driving through Impact. It does not Stop at the Release Location.

Unfortunately, like many Golfers, JB Over-Bends his Right Elbow at the Top of the Swing. If you pull or carry or force the Left Arm Closer than about 45 degrees or so to the Chest, then you will Over-Bend your right arm. Then, because of his Rigid Power Package his Over-Bent Right Forearm comes in too high at Release on many shots. I think that these are reasons why many Golfers reject the Power Package Concept and replace it by unbending the Right Elbow during the Downswing.

mb6606 07-14-2009 09:21 AM

Daryl great post it clarifies what you were describing in the Erickson thread. Thanks

Daryl 07-14-2009 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mb6606 (Post 65972)
Daryl great post it clarifies what you were describing in the Erickson thread. Thanks

Thanks MB,

Many golfers studying TGM lose the "Method" in the "Madness".

If we start with a Blank Slate and added a Power Package, Magic of the Right Forearm, Extensor Action, Flying Wedges, Flat Left Wrist and a Bent and Level Right Wrist, we see a pattern begin to form.

smoke218 07-14-2009 12:05 PM

Daryl, I'm confused. JB says that he doesn't cock his wrist. Isn't the left wrist cocked when the right arm fold?

Daryl 07-14-2009 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by smoke218 (Post 65974)
Daryl, I'm confused. JB says that he doesn't cock his wrist. Isn't the left wrist cocked when the right arm fold?

GREAT call Smoke218. I didn't catch that.

At 1:24 into the First Video, JB says that he "Don't break-it like that" at the Top meaning that he does not force or add additional cock or bend and that doing so would wreck his swing. At 1:35, JB admits that his Wrist is somewhat cocked at the Top but that he doesn't do anything to make it so. Then he blurs over that fact because to him, it doesn't feel like he does anything to cock the Wrist. Geez...he's a Professional Golfer and he doesn't know how his left wrist ends up cocked. He's got to be kidding?

I think that the Bending Elbow does cock and bend his left wrist but neither JB nor his coach have the terminology or understanding to fully explain the alignments and actions in his own swing.

The Cocking increases during the Downswing therefore, he adds a little by Float Loading, but I agree that most of his Wrist Cock is Present at the Top of his Swing.

mb6606 07-14-2009 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 65975)
GREAT call Smoke218. I didn't catch that.

At 1:24 into the First Video, JB says that he "Don't break-it like that" at the Top meaning that he does not force or add additional cock or bend and that doing so would wreck his swing. At 1:35, JB admits that his Wrist is cocked at the Top but that he doesn't do anything to make it so. Then he blurs over that fact because to him, it doesn't feel like he does anything to cock the Wrist. Geez...he's a Professional Golfer and he doesn't know how his left wrist ends up cocked. He's got to be kidding?

I think that the Bending Elbow does cock and bend his left wrist but neither JB nor his coach have the terminology or understanding to fully explain the alignments and actions in his own swing.

The Cocking increases during the Downswing therefore, he adds a little by Float Loading, but I agree that most of his Wrist Cock is Present at the Top of his Swing.

Could be JB does not know the difference between cocking and bending or double cocking. Still he has great impact and lots of power.

Daryl 07-14-2009 12:51 PM

I think that his Coach is Ted's (Yodasluke) cousin or something from Marietta, Georgia.

BerntR 07-14-2009 02:24 PM

I don't think this is a good example of a TGM power package. The integrity of the right hand flying wedge isn't intact on the photo.

His right hand is cocked at the picture. I believe that is counter productive for the involvement of the right hand through the ball.

If there is one TGM thing that has improved my game it is to keep the right hand quiet all the way from address to impact. The magic of the RHFW really works.

O.B.Left 07-14-2009 06:03 PM

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Let me get this straight, JB Holmes is a swinger due to the fact that his Pitch Right Elbow leads and therefor pulls the power package into the ball? A pulling action of the Actively thrusting extending Right Arm, Longitudinal Acceleration, Sequenced Release etc. Is that right? So Pitch is Swinging regardless of any Right side thrust?

If this is correct I can see some logic to it. I really can. Or perhaps its just another 12-2-0 guy displaying what I call "Hitters" envy. Yes its a silent killer people, very sad.

But seriously now folks, Im all for a fuzzy grey area in the middle of the Hitter , Swinger thing its OK except for the other side always trying to claim the guys in the middle. Like who saw that coming with Chastity Bono for instance, but Daryl, JB is a Hitter dang it!

Whats next D, Luke is swinger too? How bout Arnie?

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mb6606 07-14-2009 07:13 PM

Sure looks like Jb does not load the #3pp at the top and there is a lot of right arm and shoulder into impact. Could be a right arm swinger but looks more like a hitter to me.

Daryl 07-14-2009 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 65983)
Let me get this straight, JB Holmes is a swinger due to the fact that his Pitch Right Elbow leads and therefor pulls the power package into the ball? A pulling action of the Actively thrusting extending Right Arm, Longitudinal Acceleration, Sequenced Release etc. Is that right? So Pitch is Swinging regardless of any Right side thrust?

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  1. The Power Package DRIVES the Right Elbow into the Release Interval for Both Swingers and Hitter wannabees.
  2. The Right Forearm of both Hitters and Swingers can Thrust from Release to Both Arms Straight.

This is Ted
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10-3-A PUNCH From a “down-and-at-the-side” Elbow Position, whether the Elbow is touching the Body or not, a straight-line Right Hand Punch is delivered through Impact (6-E). Per 6-C-2-A and 7-19. Except with 10-3-C (Push), the Right Forearm must have a “Fanning” type of motion, not a “Linear” Push type of motion (10-3-C).
This is JB
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10-3-B PITCH (or Slap) From a “down-and-in-the-front” Elbow Position, whether the Elbow is touching the Body or not, a Right Forearm underhand Pitch is delivered at the Aiming Point with a stiff-wrist slapping motion.

The only real difference from 10-3-A is that the Right Elbow can lead the Hands into Release much farther with the same amount of Hip travel (6-B-1-C) and is therefore conducive to greater Trigger Delay (10-20) for Snap Releases (10-24).
So the Difference between Punch and Pitch Elbow is not much. BUT, does the Right Elbow Load against the Primary or Secondary Lever??? Can you Slap the Primary Lever?? Can you Punch the Secondary Lever??

The Power Package DRIVES the Right Elbow to a Location. The Location is dependent on Loading Action. Loading has basically two choices. Load the Primary Lever or the Secondary Lever. Drive the Primary Lever (Hitter) or Drive or Pull the Secondary Lever (Swinger).

Ted, at halfway down. His Elbow is Pointing behind him and is directly opposed to the Primary Lever. At Release, the Elbow is still directly opposed to the Primary Lever. He will make his usual feeble Girly attempt to Hit. Punch the Primary Lever through Impact with his sickly Right Triceps Muscle.

Look at JB halfway Down. His Elbow is Pointing Down and so His Right Elbow and #3 Pressure Point are directly opposed to the Secondary Lever. At Release, his Right Elbow is directly opposed the the Secondary Lever. He is Swinging. He is PULLING the Primary Lever and will Man-Slap the Ball with his Right Forearm Driving the Clubshaft. He may even want three Right Hands and slap that sucker silly. :laughing9

Daryl 07-14-2009 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mb6606 (Post 65984)
Sure looks like Jb does not load the #3pp at the top and there is a lot of right arm and shoulder into impact. Could be a right arm swinger but looks more like a hitter to me.

Ya but, look at him at halfway down. His Right Elbow directly opposes the Secondary Lever as it does at Release.

Daryl 07-14-2009 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 65980)
I don't think this is a good example of a TGM power package. The integrity of the right hand flying wedge isn't intact on the photo.

His right hand is cocked at the picture. I believe that is counter productive for the involvement of the right hand through the ball.

If there is one TGM thing that has improved my game it is to keep the right hand quiet all the way from address to impact. The magic of the RHFW really works.

Agreed BerntR.

I'm using JB to demonstrate that the Power Package drives the Right Elbow to the Release Location. Many people don't know how the Right Elbow gets to where it's supposed to go and fewer still understand how to move the Right Elbow three dimensionally so that they can have a three dimensional Impact. Power Package and Extensor Action. If I ever find a good Example of Extensor Action, I'll put it up.

Daryl 07-15-2009 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 65983)

But seriously now folks, Im all for a fuzzy grey area in the middle of the Hitter , Swinger thing its OK except for the other side always trying to claim the guys in the middle. Like who saw that coming with Chastity Bono for instance, but Daryl, JB is a Hitter dang it!

Whats next D, Luke is swinger too? How bout Arnie?

To my Canadian, Single Payer Health Care addicted Friend,

Centrifugal Force is present for Hitters and Swingers. Right Forearm Thrust too.

JB is a Swinger
Ted is a Hitter

But Swingers Driving the Right Forearm allow CF to straighten the Right Elbow and Uncock the Left Wrist. Hitters use Right Triceps Muscle to Straighten the Right Elbow and Uncock the Left Wrist.


You're seeing too much Fuzzy Grey area. You need to see a Doctor. Make an appointment. Let me know in 7 months how it goes. :(

powerdraw 07-15-2009 07:47 AM

so the right elbow is not intentionnaly driven for pitch, its just on for the ride?

Daryl 07-15-2009 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by powerdraw (Post 65993)
so the right elbow is not intentionnaly driven for pitch, its just on for the ride?

Not singularly. It's Driven by the Package. But what a ride.

O.B.Left 07-15-2009 10:42 PM

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[list=1][*]The Power Package DRIVES the Right Elbow into the Release Interval for Both Swingers and Hitter wannabees.

By "Hitter wannabees" , I assume you are referring to me, Daryl. But this is the worst case of PROJECTION I have ever seen. You are the guy all over the board on all things Hitting. Admit it, you want to Thrust like a man.

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[*]The Right Forearm of both Hitters and Swingers can Thrust from Release to Both Arms Straight.
I rest my case. But I suggest that the missing piece to your theory is the word,
"actively". All golfers according to Homer thrust the right arm, but only Hitters "actively" thrust, swingers passively thrust.

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1-F RIGHT ARM OR LEFT The “mystery” of the Mechanics of Golf fades away when Right Arm participation is understood (6-B-1). Whether its participation is active or passive is difficult to detect visually because in either case the Left Arm is ALWAYS SWINGING and the Right Forearm is ALWAYS DRIVING. But it is always a Left Arm Stroke unless the Right Elbow replaces the Left Shoulder as the center of Clubhead Arc. (10-3-K)



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Ted, at halfway down. His Elbow is Pointing behind him and is directly opposed to the Primary Lever. At Release, the Elbow is still directly opposed to the Primary Lever. He will make his usual feeble Girly attempt to Hit. Punch the Primary Lever through Impact with his sickly Right Triceps Muscle.
Im thinking Ted could show you a "Pitch/Slap" or two after this comment.




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Look at JB halfway Down. His Elbow is Pointing Down and so His Right Elbow and #3 Pressure Point are directly opposed to the Secondary Lever. At Release, his Right Elbow is directly opposed the the Secondary Lever. He is Swinging. He is PULLING the Primary Lever and will Man-Slap the Ball with his Right Forearm Driving the Clubshaft. He may even want three Right Hands and slap that sucker silly. :laughing9
Ok maybe you are right. Homer did after all define the Major Basic Strokes according to the elbow position. So, Ill give you JB. But we hitters will claim all other Punch elbow types in return.. Ill trade you Pitch elbow JB Holmes for the Punch elbow Wee Ice Mon then........fair is fair after all.



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Daryl 07-15-2009 11:22 PM

Nice stuff Ob.


It is true that I poke fun at Hitters. But really, I think it's a great pattern. I truly respect Ted and admire his Hitting Pattern. He is One-of-a-Kind.

The "Ice Man" is a Swinger.

golfbulldog 07-16-2009 02:29 PM

Update on JB pattern

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2xZuyrK7oY

Daryl 07-16-2009 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by golfbulldog (Post 66015)

Really close to a Hit.

golfbulldog 07-16-2009 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 66017)
Really close to a Hit.

It struck me that this might be as close to "hitting from pitch" as you can get...

On the day in question he was hitting the ball anywhere and everywhere...left...right...straight...

O.B.Left 07-16-2009 05:03 PM

He sure looks likes he "actively" thrusts. Except for Pitch Elbow, I see Hitting Alignments.

There are two possibilities;

1. He should thrust from Punch elbow. That would be an interesting experiment.
2. He is the missing link between Hitters and Swingers. From the lost tribe.
3. You can hit from Pitch despite the fact you may technically be pulling.

Daryl 07-16-2009 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by golfbulldog (Post 66018)
It struck me that this might be as close to "hitting from pitch" as you can get...

On the day in question he was hitting the ball anywhere and everywhere...left...right...straight...

No wonder. He's got too many hitting alignments and he's still swinging. It kinda looks pretty good in Slow Motion. He's angle Hinging today. His Right Elbow is away from his normal location and he's releasing a little earlier than normal.


His coach isn't doing him much good if he can't itemize His alignments in a stroke pattern and give him a checkup when his swing is off the reservation.

O.B.Left 07-16-2009 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 65991)

You're seeing too much Fuzzy Grey area. You need to see a Doctor. Make an appointment. Let me know in 7 months how it goes. :(



That's pretty funny Daryl.

It reminds me of an old joke about the Soviet Union. The punch line being something like; "....... oh, I cant see the doctor in 7 months! Thats the day my plumber is coming to fix the toilet." Years ago I took a course in comparative economics and the prof was a Russian ex pat who started every class by telling one joke about Capitalism and one about Command Economies. He was like a Russian Henny Youngman.


D, I know you are probably writing all this stuff from the fine dining section at Spiaggia, so here's a couple of suggestions:

1. If you really want to man up, move over to the cafe side and order some meat. Hitters dont admire chins drapes and post modern decor.
2. Stop living off your past laurels........the "Disco Demolition Night" at Cominsky Park was not LAST night, after all. You saved Muskrat Love anyways.
3. I know you are protecting your Queen, Left Hand Wrist Cock and your King, Automatic Snap Release. Thats what this is really about isnt it!

Daryl 07-16-2009 06:07 PM

Ob. Did you hear about the Obamacare 100 Doctor-Visit Lottery?
The Winner gets to visit the Doctor once a year for one hundred years. :laughing9

O.B.Left 07-16-2009 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 66027)
Ob. Did you hear about the Obamacare 100 Doctor-Visit Lottery?
The Winner gets to visit the Doctor once a year for one hundred years. :laughing9


I did not know that. Hi oh.

mb6606 07-16-2009 06:26 PM

Hit with a touch of right arm swing doesn't load the left wrist at the top.

golfbulldog 07-16-2009 06:36 PM

I agree with mb...the "top" position is a drive loading position...

This would then easily move to punch elbow position...but he manipulates the right forearm to get into pitch elbow instead...and appears to have an acc 1 thrust (active) to get his hands so far forward at impact...like Trevino impact...BUT his weight through impact is very much on his left heel...which I usually assume is a rotary motion postion...like a swinger... alot of mixed components...

is he using active right arm thrust from pitch elbow but on line square plane line (I believe Yoda does an "online" hitting procudeure but from punch elbow) rather than the cross line motion that Ted uses? (ie. angle of approach)

comdpa 07-25-2009 11:00 PM

[quote=Daryl;65963]
The following Link is a Video of the TGM Power Package Front View. View in slo-mo and Witness the Right Elbow be Driven into Release. The Above Picture was taken from this Video. ((Don't pay attention to the teacher. He's lost. He's still looking for laces for his Loafers.)) It's obvious that JB and his teacher have no Idea of Power Package and Acceleration Sequence. JB tries to explain what he does during the Downstroke but notice that not once does he demonstrate his Right Elbow Position at Release or Impact. Humpty Dumpty.

QUOTE]

Haha...what a pity you are not teaching JB (and Kenny Perry).
They could have already been a multi Major winners...:)
No wonder Kenny Perry lost the Masters, Matty Killen must have left something out in his tune-up. LOL.

O.B.Left 07-25-2009 11:50 PM

[quote=comdpa;66217]
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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 65963)
The following Link is a Video of the TGM Power Package Front View. View in slo-mo and Witness the Right Elbow be Driven into Release. The Above Picture was taken from this Video. ((Don't pay attention to the teacher. He's lost. He's still looking for laces for his Loafers.)) It's obvious that JB and his teacher have no Idea of Power Package and Acceleration Sequence. JB tries to explain what he does during the Downstroke but notice that not once does he demonstrate his Right Elbow Position at Release or Impact. Humpty Dumpty.

QUOTE]

Haha...what a pity you are not teaching JB (and Kenny Perry).
They could have already been a multi Major winners...:)
No wonder Kenny Perry lost the Masters, Matty Killen must have left something out in his tune-up. LOL.

So you can hit from pitch elbow? Is that what you are referring to? Its a rather weak position from which to push isnt it?

powerdraw 07-26-2009 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by golfbulldog (Post 66015)

golfBD, whoa...thank you. major light turned on this morning watching your release vids.

magic of the right forearm.

comdpa 07-26-2009 08:16 AM

[quote=O.B.Left;66218]
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Originally Posted by comdpa (Post 66217)

So you can hit from pitch elbow? Is that what you are referring to? Its a rather weak position from which to push isnt it?

O.B Left,

I said that it is a pity that JB Holmes and Kenny Perry didn't have Daryl as coach.

He does seem to know what he is talking about and that he makes known the ignorance of Matty and JB on a public forum further reinforces his point.

That's all I am saying and not in reference to what you mentioned...:)

O.B.Left 07-26-2009 01:09 PM

Daryl is more theoretical and less "hands on". Very secretive too, makes Mac look like a kindergarten class. But if he should finally mount the hill, he has said I will be his first student/guinea pig. So sorry, Kenny and Jb will just have to wait. Should I survive, I will report back to you. Probably via a major Tv network special report.

If I dont make it back, tell my wife I love her. Id also like to leave my 1976 Ping Anser 029 putter to golf science, maybe they can figure out what the heck is wrong with it these days.

Ob

comdpa 07-28-2009 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 66228)
Daryl is more theoretical and less "hands on". Very secretive too, makes Mac look like a kindergarten class. But if he should finally mount the hill, he has said I will be his first student/guinea pig. So sorry, Kenny and Jb will just have to wait. Should I survive, I will report back to you. Probably via a major Tv network special report.

If I dont make it back, tell my wife I love her. Id also like to leave my 1976 Ping Anser 029 putter to golf science, maybe they can figure out what the heck is wrong with it these days.

Ob

Well, I guess if you can't play or demonstrate well then being more theoretical and less "hands on" would be the way to go...:)

Daryl 07-28-2009 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by comdpa (Post 66283)
Well, I guess if you can't play or demonstrate well then being more theoretical and less "hands on" would be the way to go...:)

Bring your Money.


(Nice one O.B. You forgot to tell them I'm Gay. Maybe I can get a few strokes too) :laughing9

O.B.Left 07-28-2009 06:57 PM

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Bring your Money.


(Nice one O.B. You forgot to tell them I'm Gay. Maybe I can get a few strokes too) :laughing9


Comdpa

I wouldnt recommend you give Daryl any strokes (or ask him if he knows any show tunes either). He can play, demonstrate and theorize ............... a triple threat. From who do you think Jeff Hull learned Hip Action?


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comdpa 07-29-2009 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 66286)
Bring your Money.


(Nice one O.B. You forgot to tell them I'm Gay. Maybe I can get a few strokes too) :laughing9

Nice, will bring along some dosh if I do get to Illinois...bet its a heck of a plane ride from Singapore. :sleepy:

comdpa 07-29-2009 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 66292)
Comdpa

I wouldnt recommend you give Daryl any strokes (or ask him if he knows any show tunes either). He can play, demonstrate and theorize ............... a triple threat. From who do you think Jeff Hull learned Hip Action?


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You have to admit that its a pretty potent combination...
Not sure what you are trying to say with your thumbnail attachment.


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