Right Forearm Plane and hitting
 

Hey all,

I have been reading older threads and trying to muddle through a lot of very interesting material. One thing that I have had a lot of trouble with is hitting the ball (or swinging the club) on the left arm plane (as I called it) or the right forearm plane. I came across is a thread titled "Bending the plane". Very educational. I am still not entirely clear but the fog is lifting. The right forearm plane seems more natural for me and more powerful, but I do not understand the mechanics involved in it. I have to "swing left" as opposed to down the target line, but I really need to learn and understand hinging, and how to perform each one. Does it matter if you are hitting or swinging? is there an advantage/disadvantage of one over the other?

I know I don't have to be a PhD to hit the golf ball really well, but boy do I feel really stupid as I poke around the old threads here.

If anyone has any direction with this topic please feel free to point me in a proper direction.
Thanks

Scott,

I am obsessed with learning about the Magic of the Right Forearm, in particular as interpreted by YODA and the folks here at LBG. I have put together several documents to help me study. They consist of posts by Yoda and other members of this forum and their ideas. You, or any of my other friends at LBG are welcome to download these from my public page anytime. I have tried very hard to credit the proper poster in the title of each article, hopefully I didn't miss anybody.

http://public.me.com/kevinpgapro1234

The articles that pertain to your question would be contained in:

6
7
9
11
12
13

That should keep you busy for awhile! :) :salut:

Kevin

Thank you Kev,

I appreciate it. I really appreciate all of the helpfulness that I have encountered on this forum in the short time that I have been a member here. I really think I may have found the answer I was looking for as far as Golf Instruction!

Kev, I just started looking at the stuff you made available and all I can say is WOW! Thank you. This is some GREAT stuff!

Most good swings happens on one or two planes, or somewhere inbetween:

The elbow plane: That's the plane you have the club on if you keep your right forearm on the clubshaft plane at address and your right elbow very close to your hip. This plane is often used in combination with a planeshift in the down swing.

The turned shoulder plane: Draw a straight line from the ball to the right shoulder when you've completed your back swing. That's the turned shoulder plane. This plane is slightly steeper than the elbow plane, but it still goes throug the middle of your core. You can still have the right forarm on plane at address & impact, but now there will be more air between your right elbow and your hip.

In any case the left shoulder will be way above the plane at all times, except, perhaps far into the follow through. Therefore the left arm is moving on a very different path than the swing plane (even though the left hand may be on plane). So trying to swing on the left arm plane is a dead end.

Right elbow plane: Yes, but remember that the right elbow is only on plane at address and impact. It goes under the swing plane early in the downswing, gets back to plane at impact and gets over the plane in the finish and follow thru.

Also remember that both shoulders are far above the plane at address and usually at impact too. I haven't measured but I would guess that the swing revolves around the belly button or perhaps a point slightly above it, of course depending on the swing plane you use.

I'm glad you like it Scott. I wish I could take credit, but I'm just good at copy/paste. There are a LOT of smart dudes here at LBG!

Kevin

Including, you, Kevin!
 

Keep up the good work!

Patrick

Thanks for sharing. It is always nice to have a different source to review with especially at this time of year when we are just starting to resume golf

Thanks Kevin, forgot about the level left wrist at address. I use adjusted address, and it is really easy to set up with the left wrist out of position. What a difference a level left wrist at address, whether impact or adjusted, it makes maintaining the alignments incredibly easier.

Yoda's interpretation of Homer = BRILLIANT!
:golf:
Kevin

Hey Kev,

I just wanted to say thanks again and you have me really busy right now! I played 9 holes before work this morning. I hit the ball pretty well as I tried incorporating a few small things into that I have recently discovered. My main fascination right now is Yoda's hit pattern. I printed out the #6.pdf file from your page and I am consuming it. That is where I would like to get to at some point. I know I am setting my sights pretty high, but why not shoot for the moon? lol

It just seems so simple and sfficent yet so powerful. That is my grail, I hope I can get there someday.
Anyway, thank you again.

Impact fix with level wrists and the flying wedges are a huge shortcut to G.O.L.F.

Edz, as a swinger it is so easy to set up with the left wrist pre-cocked. Immediately there is a significant benefit when the left wrist is set in a level position, makes the flying wedges and forward lean not only easier, but makes it feel like second nature.

Please pardon my ignorance, but may I ask what does a "level left wrist" mean? I have seen this term quite a few times but I am not sure what it means exactly.
I realize this may not be a simple answer so if anyone has anywhere you could point me, I would be much obliged.
Thank you

Mid way position between cocked and uncocked.

Hold your left arm out in front of you, parallel to the ground palm of the hand open, fingers pointing straight out.

Look along your forearm and visualise the straight line relationship between it and the top of your thumb.

Point your fingers down and uncock. Raise your fingers and cock.

Thank you Burner, that was easier than I thought it would be!

Scott,

Yoda's pattern is my holy grail as well. It's what my minds eye sees as the simplest most effective way to play golf. Let's learn from each other, you know where to find me with questions or answers!

Kevin

Thanks Kev, much appreciated and I am sure in the coming weeks and months I will come to rely heavily on you and the graciousness of others here. I am patiently waiting for my "Alignment Golf" DVD and can not wait to delve into it. I really like what I am learning so far. I have been down many paths, read quite a few books, and watched countless hours of video and I feel that this is the way to go for me.

I didn't realize your DVD hasn't arrived yet. It will open a whole new world of understanding. All the posts you read here will all of a sudden start making sense, no more mystery. It's like a giant key that opens the door to understanding Homer Kelley. As an added benefit, visualizing V.J. Trolios basic and acquired motion will smooth out your short game...

The first video "looks" like it's all short game, it's not. The same concepts will be used in your long game.

The second video is called "drills." It's not just drills, pay close attention and there is all the information you can imagine about total motion. You just put the pieces into your puzzle...

Kevin

No DVD yet, I just checked the mail hoping it would be today but no, not yet.
What you describe sounds terrific. I am hoping that many of the pieces I am learning start to come together more comprehensively and from what you describe, I think it will.

I just have to say that my early assessments of TGM is PURE GENIUS. I just watched the video "pressure point 3, where are you?" for the 6th or 7th time and I finally got it! Yoda has a very rapid delivery and he uses some of the technical jargon that I don't fully understand yet, but wow does he make sense. Like I said, I had to watch it over and over and it something clicked and I understood what he was saying about a hitter keeping everything behind the shaft. The swinger explanation took a little longer but I got what he meant when he said the #3 pressure point goes to the top of the shaft at the completion of the backstroke. Absolute genius. Then how the pressure point varies from the hitters feel due to being on top of the shaft and feeling the #2 in the left hand.
I believe that I am more inclined to be a hitter but I certainly don't want to make that decision until I can get further educated on all of this.

Man, if this is a preview of what is to come for me, I am more excited than ever. it is going to be a long weekend as I wait to get to work Monday in hoping that my "Alignment Golf" DVD shows up in the mail there.

Great stuff, Kevin! I plan on studying it well. :-)

Well, my "Alignment Golf" DVDs came today. I did not have time to view the putting DVD but I did watch the "building your basic stroke" and "drills" DVDs and they are great. I am very excited and can't wait to view these again, especially the drills DVD. I have to say that they are not what I would have expected, but good stuff. Hopefully this is another step to consistent ball striking.
Hey Kevin, GREAT assessment and explanation of the DVD. That description was right on the money!

It doesn't all sink in the first time. I have watched it many, many times, and learn something new every time. Things are rolling around in your brain that you don't quite get, but you will!

Kevin

Indeed. Each time you view AG you will wonder why you didn't see a particular bit the last time you viewed it.
I also found that after practicing a particular concept for a while, if I went back and viewed that portion of the presentation, it took on new meaning. The more I learn, the more the concepts gain depth and breadth.

Right forearm in the balance?
 

Hi, my name's Patrick! I am a thankful member of TGMA.

(Welcome, Patrick)

Hi everyone!:hello2: :hello2:

As my GSEB, John Savage, shows me what real wedges (w/out blue cheese) look like, and reminds me to balance on my back heel, I am swinging nicely on plane.

However, I have been a bad student and need to make a confession.

(Go ahead, brother, say it! Be Free!) :golfcart:

After school, I go to my driving range and I make my wedges and balance on my right heel as I turn my right pocket or sternum. I get into a beautiful non-cocked flat left wrist position at shoulder level. (Go ahead, brother, say it!)

AND THEN I THRUST MY RIGHT ARM AT THE BALL AND I REALLY LIKE IT ALOT!!! :crybaby: I don't know how to stop!:dontknow: I CAN'T STOP! (Well?)

You see, last Saturday, during my round, every punch I tried from 180 yards and even a low running drive worked! The ball left out straight and low and then had a little upshoot fade at the end. I LIKED IT A LOT I REALLY DID. I'M SORRY! ](*,)

I punched my driver, 3 wood, 5 wood, 7 iron, 9 iron, my wedges, I can't stop. I ELBOW PUNCHED MY PUTTER (Gasp).

Then John showed me the most beautiful swing, effortless, high, soft-landing...I understand that on a really long course, I would need that, but...

I love the upshoot fade straight on line...[-o< Can anyone help me?

That's all I have, thanks for letting me share.

Patrick:pale: :eusa pray: :oops:

Hello, my name is Kevin, and I'm a HITAHOLIC.

Welcome to the club! :salut:

Kevin