strongly pulling with the left hand
 

Experimented with controlling the face with the left hand throughout holding the face or pulling through horizontal the left wrist is the clubface and u pulls through the ball exactly as u want the shot shape very simple very effective homer said you don't need lessons if u prove the left e wrist pulling through and past impact

If the motion of the Geometry is good, then impact isn't even a swing thought.

Will Mr. Bertholy please notice he is still teaching?
 

Paul Bertholy's teaching notes, recompiled by the gracious Mr. Doug Ferreri, a +2 hcp. who worked with Mr. Bertholy over 20 years, says as much.

ICT

Yoda met Paul years ago and got a book from him or some private notes.

For true swinging yes but u have the option to control it if u choose

hands are clamps, so what pulls? What is first gear? What takes over?

Wrist Throw 10-20-E

When u r having trouble controlling centrifugal rwaction theres the option if manual override so to speak

Helpful!
 

I really like the subtle left knee push reversing the machine down, and I first read Faldo mentioning it when he wrote his book as he started with Ledbetter. Of course, Mr. Bertholy popularized that move.

I do get much more power and snap shifting my hip forward especially with the mid-body hands and strong grip. :) Simple and Horizontal Hinge powerful.

I am still messed-up with opening the face for an Angle Hinge and open to suggestions. :read:


ICT

R u saying you are messed up because you open the club face or that you cannot angle hinge properly? A swinger rolls and his open club ace is not an angle hinge but a fault. You can set up an open face at impact fix and still swing (roll) and get an open face at impact to fade a shot but that is intent. But if you let the straightening right arm uncock Acc#3, then it is a solid angle hinge without much of a roll rhythm.

Improper Angle Hinge
 

So, if I have this correct, I set-up at Impact Fix and simply swing to produce a proper angle hinge or open the face to produce a serious fade. From a Mid-body hands set-up with a strong grip, an open face feels very weird.

But thanks, I will try the Impact Fix angle hinge manipulated hands swing!


ICT

don't do weird, I still don't know what you were asking? Do you need to angle? or is angle something that just happens and you want to correct that. Impact fix, ball location, a lot of things can change club face at impact. Hitting still produces the best angled hinge. And I though you were a HITTER. I don't even think about hinge action with a full swing, once I got my DELIVERY LINE ROLL in order, I stayed away from Angled hinge action cept for perhaps a pitch shot, ala basic motion.

The book was "Golf" 1927 by Robert G McDonald. A booked that helped shape Lynn's unique appreciation for Homers Alignments combined with motion (as demonstrated by McDonald, Bill Melhourne and Homer).

This is swinging of course. Left Hand = Club face swinging or hitting but the strong sense of pulling is swinging. Great stuff. Watch Justin Rose do it , rehearse it . Swing his entire Primary Lever , left arm and club. Horizontal when he needs it.

But in your title you mentioned "strongly pulling with the left hand". I dont wish to picky but the "with" jumps out at me. ....Knowing you are a very good golfer Whip and TGM'r , for the benefit of those new to the site who IMO are likely to make a common but erroneous assumption (namely that Swingers, capital "S" , in the Homarian manner, pull with the left arm , active left arm as opposed to inert left arm) wouldnt you say that while the strong feel of pulling is sensed at the left hand primarily , the left hand and arm are not the source of the pull? Talking full shots here as there is a short shot , a one accumulator , left arm only Pull Minor Basic Stroke available to the golfer. Beyond that however the Left Arm returns to its passive mode in Homers line of thinking.

Pullling with the left arm from Top is a no no! Startdown being by definition the initiation of the move of the right shoulder down plane (assuming Standard Shoulder Turn).

Whip I know you know this but I just had to say this to save some guys months of self discovery time in their quest to TGM style Swinging. Unless you disagree of course, then lets talk. Do any accomplished golfers pull with the left arm for a long shot? Even though HOmer didnt define it or seem to like it. If so is it a viable option then? Would it suggest a sweep release as the left arm pulls away from the body earlier? Would Snap Release require a passive left arm? Hmmm Does passive left arm require Extensor Action , as defined or at the very least a stiff rod left arm to describe the radius. Cant have two passive arms can we? Although I did play with a guy who hit his right shoulder on his backswing and his left shoulder on his follow through , just sort of spun his soft arms from his pivot ... CF only straightening out his left arm and radius. he was about 60 , looked like Orville Redenbocker , not a big guy at all and I tell ya he crushed his drives .. crushed... made me think about Bobby Jones . Knudson said something about discovering that after years of working out all he had to do in the end was relax his muscles.

cheers

PS for some context on my post. I went through a bad spell recently , until I realized I had been pulling with my left arm . Now with a passive left arm which requires extensor action for radius and a renewed sense of the flying wedges aka Homers "arm set" my game is back. This is Homers stuff, great stuff, it works for me. Passive left arm , passive right arm except for the non accelerating thrust of extensor action. On plane right forearm , right elbow bent at address and impact but straight at follow through. It works. But you have options of course.

Pivot then right shoulder fires at the Base Line of the Plane?
 

When I'm on plane life is simple and great, but how to stay there? That's the issue for me now. :golf:

If I pull with the left arm/ hand and aim the handle at the inner quadrant of the ball, my only issues are putting and chipping.

If I Pivot and throw my left hand (pressed against my right shoulder by my pivot, by firing my right shoulder at the base line) straight down the rooftop to the baseline of the plane in front of me, I sometimes hit great shots and sometimes hook the ball off the planet.

If I pull the handle straight down the rooftop at the BLP.... trying that after school! Full shoulder turn, right forearm on plane quit knees and feet...:golf:

ICT

ob im talking about manual override which comes out for me as an angled hinge most comfortably but can also hh, its a viable option for a cut shot, the feeling of pulling through with the back of the left hand, the left hand being equal to the clubface i control the left hand through the ball as if it were the clubface. with extensor theres no need for muscular pulling with this sensation simply a controlling of the left wrist through impact instead of leaving it up to cf. for chip shots i feel the whole of the left arm pulling through the ball this is still true swinging a pulling action no need for muscular manipulation during this just motion. standard shot is freewheeling cf it does it all for me after the start down, but when i need to really control it or fade it or chip shots or pitches or putts i will focus on two things, extensor and moving the back of my left hand through the ball as if it were the clubface.

apologize for the terrible grammar and spelling on previous posts i waas posting on iphone which i was terrrible with lol