hogan on the Ed Sullivan Show
 

Here is the link. I love the drill he is doing near the end. It sure reminds me of the Wild Bill Melhourne grass whip drill. Hogan did take lessons from Melhourne I believe. I remember reading somewhere that Hogan did this drill for 20 minutes or so in the locker room before going out to the range.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr-b7...eature=related

Pivot controlled
 

That's a cool clip of Mr. Hogan...showing a sense of humor and an interesting drill...would this classify his swing as pivot controlled?

Thanks, cool link
 

Thank you for the link!

A great video for Pivot Controlled Hands.

Great question. Some may say yes,Pivot to Hands, I dont want to name them because Daryl is really a great guy but I beg to differ. The body providing rotation early, moving the club the first wee bit, fanning the right arm even if you look at it closely, does not preclude the brain from sensing via the pressure points in the hands where the club is and directing things accordingly. Remember this is a drill only, you could start the right arm pickup early at the same time even if you wanted. Some may like the feeling of a more radial pivot only takeaway, some may not. But DONT FREEZE YOUR PIVOT IN STARTUP, thinking it to be a Hands to Pivot takeaway. Bad things will happen. Roundhousing for instance. See 12-3-0. Pt #17 is Right Forearm Takeaway but way back at pt #13 is Clear Right Hip.

This Hogan drill is straight out of Melhourne or McDonald's teaching of the 1920's or perhaps even earlier. The body is a rotor and the arms are just blades. Homer would add that the brain directs via the pressure points in the hands. The hands travel their own path UP as opposed to the IN provided from the pivot. That is the key distinction to my mind. Divergent paths in the Back, UP, IN of three dimensional takeaway. It's not unusual we do it all time in everyday life.

Here is a link to a video of Bobby Shave demonstrating the Melhourne Grass Whip exercise.

http://www.golfwithmehlhorn.com/video1.htm

You will also see some similarities to the way in which Ben Doyle teaches hitting a tire with the pivot, "no adding or double dribble" via the hands or arms. Here is a link from an esteemed golf website frequented by golf's congnazenti. (sp?)

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...-1-Part-1.html


Here is a McDonald drill or two for y'all. The beginning of Hogans drill reminds me of Exercise 11. When he gets the club swinging a bit it reminds me of Exercises 5 and 8.

Drewit or others may know of other similar type exercises from Vardon etc. The great thing is it works, like really works. Lynn teaches this and other drills as part of his Motion training. Ive seen him teach people to walk a line of balls "brushing" in both directions, constant swinging, thwacking off balls with sweet compressions. Results that cant be had as quickly using normal methods. Give up control to gain control etc. VJ Sing says Mr Blake can be seen working his way through the tall grass Melhourne style with a sand wedge. Davis Love has a grass whip and loves it. Mr Hogan wrote extensively on the benefits of his drill as well.

This is not position golf but motion golf. The ball seems to know the difference.
Homers geometry and machine concepts still apply of course.

Why does it work? Im thinking its anti steering therapy. We strike the ball like Homer would strike his dandelions. We trick the brain and learn a secret in the process.



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You got this posted whilst I was writing mine...........knew it!

Bobby Shave demonstrating the Melhourne Grass Whip exercise: Circle Path Delivery Pivot.
Active Hands and Arms.
Ground Forces: (Left Foot -Right Foot - Left Foot), (Left Foot -Right Foot - Left Foot), (Left Foot -Right Foot - Left Foot)

Ben Doyle: Straight Line Delivery Path Pivot.
Hands are clamps, arms are strings.
Ground Forces: (Left Ball, Right Heel, Left Heel, Right Ball),(Left Ball, Right Heel, Left Heel, Right Ball), (Left Ball, Right Heel, Left Heel, Right Ball), (Left Ball, Right Heel, Left Heel, Right Ball)

"Ground Forces" ? You've been hanging with the biomechanics guys again, havent you?

Agreed on Shave, arms and hands are active. Not so with Hogan. Who knows about Wild Bills actual version? But Ill take his prize student, Ben Hogans version of the Melhourne drill. In regard to circle path, Im thinking that when you reverse your swing, axis tilt gets left behind in favour of mirror image motions. The point being that it isnt a golf motion but a grass cutting motion from yester year. But it wouldnt be hard to incorporate a golf like axis tilt, hip action, if you wanted to. I can personally alternate hitting and swinging, or high,low whatever while walking the line hitting balls. D you gotta try this, I love it.

As for Ben, he cant stand on one leg anymore, would be my note there and only the left arm is a string,not both of em. Have you no structure, no EA? I like Bens action though, standard wrist action and then all pivot into the bag.

McDonald has it going on. The arms swing independent of the shoulders, ground forces like Doyle, no active hands etc etc. He is even talking directly to you Daryl in the last paragraphs of Exercise 11. Yes YOU.

ok. except for extensor action.

I've been playing the best golf in my life this year. But, if I pull with my arms or hit with may hands, with just an ounce, I lose the sound of compression and I can tell from comparative ball flights that something is different.

Hands aim, pivot does the work. I remind myself every day so that I never forget.

Thats pretty much where Im at these days too. Lagging takeaway, float loading. Am I thrusting? I dunno. Just really trying to sustain the same pressure in my #3 as long as I can , which requires a steady and constant rate of acceleration. Which means I start off slow so I can maintain the rate. Right hand karate chop maybe?

But D if you can do this "Pivot does the work" thing going down and call it Hands to Pivot why cant you subscribe to a similar thing going back? I do. As long as the Hands direct which can be seen in an on plane clubshaft , it is Hands to Pivot aint it?