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IH82BOGEY 05-22-2009 11:12 AM

Left wrist cock vs right wrist bend
 
I apologize in advance if the answer is right in front of me or already discussed. You see, I am trying to educate myself and inturn my hands. With a swinger, I understand you Karate chop down plane from top, left wrist uncocks, then rolls into impact. The question: Doesn't the uncocking left wrist require the right wrist to bend (at least some) if the hands are working together? Frozen right would seem to make more sense for a hitter where there is no Karate chop or left wrist and roll is at the same time. Thank you.

Daryl 05-22-2009 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by IH82BOGEY (Post 64196)
I apologize in advance if the answer is right in front of me or already discussed. You see, I am trying to educate myself and inturn my hands. With a swinger, I understand you Karate chop down plane from top, left wrist uncocks, then rolls into impact. The question: Doesn't the uncocking left wrist require the right wrist to bend (at least some) if the hands are working together? Frozen right would seem to make more sense for a hitter where there is no Karate chop or left wrist and roll is at the same time. Thank you.


You'll need to practice and try this out, but the Left Wrist gets Cocked by and when, the Right Elbow Bends. The Right Wrist does not Cock.

Also, don't think: Un-cock-Left-Wrist and then Roll. The Swivel begins after the Left Wrist BEGINS to Un-Cock. And Actually, I mean just more than a Millisecond. Both Wrists are level at Impact and the Left Wrist doesn't become fully Un-cocked until low point. So, you can imagine just how close the hands are to the ball before or as the Left Wrist Un-cocks and Swivels.

The Hands should be at the Line-of-sight to the ball before Un-cocking and swiveling begins. Which is about even with your Left Ear. It’s tough if not impossible without the proper pivot.

bts 05-23-2009 07:41 AM

"Do it" vs. "allow it (to happen)"
 
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Originally Posted by IH82BOGEY (Post 64196)
I apologize in advance if the answer is right in front of me or already discussed. You see, I am trying to educate myself and inturn my hands. With a swinger, I understand you Karate chop down plane from top, left wrist uncocks, then rolls into impact. The question: Doesn't the uncocking left wrist require the right wrist to bend (at least some) if the hands are working together? Frozen right would seem to make more sense for a hitter where there is no Karate chop or left wrist and roll is at the same time. Thank you.

In "Swinging", the left wrist cocks and the right bends going back/up (or Loading).

During coming back till Impact (or Releasing), it's reversed-the left wrist is uncocking and the right unbending.

Yo can do it intentionally or allow it to happen naturally. I prefer the latter (so that I only need to focus on one thing-pivoting), unless I intend to Pull it down and Push it through impact ("switting").

hg 05-23-2009 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 64197)
The Hands should be at the Line-of-sight to the ball before Un-cocking and swiveling begins. Which is about even with your Left Ear. It’s tough if not impossible without the proper pivot.



Can you explain this a little more....its hard to imagine that there is no uncocking/swiveling that late in the downswing and that the hands cross the line of sight of the ball. That picture has shank all over it for me..thanks:)

12 piece bucket 05-23-2009 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hg (Post 64231)
Can you explain this a little more....its hard to imagine that there is no uncocking/swiveling that late in the downswing and that the hands cross the line of sight of the ball. That picture has shank all over it for me..thanks:)

I believe your observation could be correct. I think you have to allow your accumulators to release in a fashion that allows you to stay on the plane angle as well as the plane line. Holding that karate chop deal too long can definitely be a problem. The club has to throw out which definitely involved the hands working "left" earlier than I used to think. If you hold the chop too long it can get you tilted back too much too and compromise low point. Good ideal to do your tracing slow and watch where the club is and where the hands are correspondingly. You want to karate chop early to keep from roundhousing but if you hold that to long your are gonna get off plane.

Daryl 05-23-2009 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hg (Post 64231)
Can you explain this a little more....its hard to imagine that there is no uncocking/swiveling that late in the downswing and that the hands cross the line of sight of the ball. That picture has shank all over it for me..thanks:)

Don't allow the #4 Accumulator to Release to soon and include a Straight Line Delivery Path.

Which requires you to bring the Hands into Release On-Plane and without Un-Bending the Right Elbow. Not even unbending one inch during the Downstroke; from Top/End to Release. The Club Lowers from the Top because the Right Arm moves nearer to the body. This does not release the Accumulators (therefore, not the club). The Accumulators Release when the Right Elbow begins to Straighten for both Hitters and Swingers. The difference is 'what causes the straightening'.
  1. Which involves not overbending the Right Elbow during Start-up and the Backstroke.
  2. Which involves Extensor Action and the "Magic of the Right Forearm".
  3. Which involves the Right Forearm Take-Away.
  4. Which involves Fanning the Right Forearm.
  5. Which involves the Right Shoulder Deltoid Muscle.
Which is the Secret Muscle in G.O.L.F.

O.B.Left 05-23-2009 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by IH82BOGEY (Post 64196)
I apologize in advance if the answer is right in front of me or already discussed. You see, I am trying to educate myself and inturn my hands. With a swinger, I understand you Karate chop down plane from top, left wrist uncocks, then rolls into impact. The question: Doesn't the uncocking left wrist require the right wrist to bend (at least some) if the hands are working together? Frozen right would seem to make more sense for a hitter where there is no Karate chop or left wrist and roll is at the same time. Thank you.


Not to get picky but...........I dont think you want to Karate Chop from Top. In Startdown ideally (after you have bumped a little left, a hip slide with a delayed hip turn, ie the right hip back or cleared) there is a period of Shoulder acceleration followed by a period of Arm acceleration. The Right Shoulder brings the arms down plane initially with the left palm riding the plane. The Power of the left arm separating from the chest (the #4 Power Accumulator, Pivot power) is Accumulated, Stored and Delivered to its Release Point. Sorry....... now Im apologizing. This is one aspect of the late hit, its not just the late left wrist uncock of common golf speak.

The Left Wrist Uncocking, #2 Power Accumulator, is also Stored and Delivered in to its Release Point. The right wrist cock and uncock is not a source of power and so has no release point. So dont fire things off from Top, that is way to early for full power, maybe as a special low power procedure like a lob shot maybe.

I know what you mean about the right wrist uncocking thing. I scratched my head for a bit on this too, maybe everyone does. But stick with the frozen right wrist concept and the on plane Right Forearm. With time you will see it , feel it, love it. It is perhaps the chief advantage of TGM knowledge. The Right Forearm Flying Wedge, a structural law of nature that cant be re written. Like the wall built perpendicular to the ground , there is no more structurally sound alignment. It's there at impact for all of the best players, baseball hitters, tennis players etc etc etc. Homer reasoned that its best to maintain it throughout the golf swing.

Here is a little thing to help you conceptually. Take a golf club, real or imagined and split your hands apart a foot or so. Now imagine that about half way into your back swing your right elbow bends while your right wrist remains frozen and on plane, no cocking, this should however cock your left wrist. Try it again. Sort of like a crane or some sort of industrial machinery, a piston lengthening or extending to actuate a lever (cock and uncock the left wrist). Or geometrically, like a triangle with one side shortening and a corresponding increase in the angle opposite it.

Hope this helps. Right wrist cocking and uncocking makes golf so much harder. Each degree of cock is a degree further away from the strong structural advantage of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. Some may say it doesnt matter as long as you get to impact with the RFFW assembled. This may be logically true but somewhat inconsistent at best, highly disruptive at worst. The latter being the far more common experience. Right wrist cock and uncock or bend and unbend is not a source of power anyways.

If you are like me you will start to feel all of this in your swing with the introduction of Extensor Action. Dont give up on it. This is key stuff. Power, consistency, structure.

Burner 05-23-2009 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bts (Post 64229)
During coming back till Impact (or Releasing), it's reversed - the left wrist is uncocking and the right unbending.


The cocking and uncocking of the left wrist is a by-product of the bending and straightening of the right elbow.

Whereas the flattening of the left wrist and bending of the right wrist are joint ventures; they go hand in hand, pun intended. But, at no stage of the down swing process is unbending of the right wrist anything but a recipe for flipping.

Keep the right wrist bent (and maintain the integrity of the flat left wrist) until low point at the very least.

jerry1967 05-24-2009 09:52 PM

The Hands should be at the Line-of-sight to the ball before Un-cocking and swiveling begins. Which is about even with your Left Ear. It’s tough if not impossible without the proper pivot.

Could someone explain this a little further?

Can pivot mean away from the target or toward the target or both?

jerry1967 05-24-2009 09:54 PM

The Swivel begins after the Left Wrist BEGINS to Un-Cock.



This sentence really helped me out. I always thought it was uncock and then swivel. Thank you so much.


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