Early release of PA #2
 

More of a statement than a question, maybe some other insight on my thoughts from the experts.

Last week I had a lesson with an AI and learned a lot of things that I had never considered regarding the uncocking of #2 on the downswing.

While some people have issues with uncocking of #2 I did not, I just did it out of sequence. As it was explained to me as I uncocked #2 it happened to early, it was a very pronounced release of #2 followed by the release of #3. When #2 uncocked too early it shut the face down and this caused my body to hold off and not release.

I had worked very hard to stop hitting hooks unfortunately it was just a compensation that developed with my body to keep the face square.

We worked on proper sequence of #2 and #3 getting the closer together. If I did this correct it would allow me to add the proper body rotation into impact to square the clubface. If I did this before it would have been left city.

Moral to this post is

1. Why the ball is doing what it does, why the body is doing what it does in your particular swing might be a little more complex than some Trackman machine saying the face was closed to the path. That was obvious to even this dolt. The fix was not.

2. Get with an AI that knows what they are doing, fixing a complex issue might be a little more simple than you think it is.

I have been swimming in a sea of compensations and feel like someone has thrown me a life presearver.

Of to the range :salut:
:golf:

More motivation to find a way to get my a** to Cuscawillo!

Kevin

Hey gmbtempe

So he wants you delay your Release of #2 is that what your saying?

#2 then #3 is sequenced which to me means the #2 uncocks while the left hand is still turned flat to the inclined plane. This uncocking can be automatic or a non auto Release Trigger. Me, I like a Left Wrist Throw for that business. We're talking Swinging here. Hitting typically would see the #2 and #3 Release overlapped, non sequential in that the Active Right Elbow , Non Auto Right Arm Throw Release Trigger for me, pushes the left hand off its flat to the plane alignment as the right elbow extends.

Either way to Delay Release until a later Release Point you must take the bent right arm down plane in Startdown and the only way to do that is to take the Right Shoulder downplane. (because if the right shoulder hangs back in Startdown the right arm will extend , which'll trigger Release of #2 angle) So whether its Active left Wrist or the Active Right Elbow take the Right Shoulder with the intact fully loaded power package downplane in Startdown.

This will add some longitudinal acceleration, some rope pulling , drag loading to the swing. I feel like my right shoulder starts down before the club has really settled down going back. Sort of like a fly fisherman's rod....you dont go back and stop , you toss it back and add inertia , lag pressure by dragging it down while its still got some momentum going back. Try to sustain this pressure with smooth acceleration instead of freaking out and throwing it away like a hot potato. Thats key for me.

It makes it hard to run out of right arm like this. The other trick is simply shorten the backswing. Stopping at Top instead of going all the way to End can make it way easier to get your fully bent right arm and right shoulder down closer to the ball.

I dunno. Thats what I've been doing lately for what its worth. Homer said we'd all eventually feel like we were hitting the ball with our right shoulder.....Im starting to really feel that. Like there's a golf club head right on top of my right shoulder that I hit the ball with , if that makes any sense. Actually Drew shared a drill where you lay a club across your chest with the face on the right shoulder and then take it at the ball in Startdown. You cant really get the right shoulder all the way down to the ball but the Arms only need a free ride in Startdown anyways. The arms and hands make the journey , go the rest of the way after they separate from the torso.

Speaking of compensations......when my back is bad I cant get the right shoulder down plane , I run out of right arm , flip it closed and tend to compensate with a Steering of the face , like a reverse roll almost. Its not something I do consciously its a last ditch effort to keep the face from flopping closed. Ill come into impact with two straight arms and an arched left wrist. ugly ugly stuff. Sometimes I just go to my sore back swing which is basically hitting ......heck if you cant turn somethings got to accelerate the club so it may as well be that right arm. Sort of like its going to straighten early anyways so why not fire the thing like Im throwing a stone side armed.

OB

Thanks for the insights!

Unfortunately the AI is someone I might get to work with once a year at best and while it was good info and answered questions it will still be my search to find a pattern that works.

My issue is that the right shoulder would work down excessively and if the right arm straightened at the delivery position so that I had right forearm on plane it would put the club head in the ground. So for me its a right shoulder up and release #1 to get down to the ball. Thats not really happening but I need to get rid of some of the excess axis tilt.

The release of #2 was happening but just too early, just needed to maintain the right wrist bend longer and feel like left wrist does not uncock, which we all know it will.

I believe this is a hitting pattern. I have made some adjustments though trying to see whats easiest. Messing around with a flatter turn rather than rotated and messing around with my setup.

Here is a pure hitting DTL swing last night, no slo mo due to darkness. Had some pulls which was irritating on pure flush contacts but can't complain. The setup alignments took me from draw hook to straight-fade ball flights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdWARz92tlc

face on (bad camera angle, ball is not this far back)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGpXdJT22Jw Like the club twirl at the end, it was really flushed (:

I am starting to figure out the right elbow and forearms participation in the golf swing. The "active" elbow. When I setup like this it feels like the elbow is like the center and the right forearm and just rotations around it, slowish startdown feels the lag pressure then just drive the right arm down the plane. Well see how it plays out but its a fun pattern to work on because of the control and overall compression I get due to the lag pressure.

Ya its really hard to see with all that blur......man I wish I was still golfing in shorts , its starting to get cold up here.

You ever tried internet lessons? They can be a pain to load but you're already doing that nicely. Lots of sun for high speed. Never any snow... Man Im jealous.

Pardon my ignorance--What is "internet lessons"?

HB

Yea, we are just coming into season here in AZ. I actually practice more and play a touch less, they dont charge you more to practice in nice weather but man to play its an arm and a leg.

I will probably work more with an AI in Tucson who posts here from time to time.

The problem is now that my expectations are higher the margin for error has gone down and the swing needs to hold up. I can hit it with any pattern because its a stick and ball game which I have always been good at, but making that little white ball behave like I want is not nearly as easy. Each pattern is a journey for me to see what works best. It took HK 30 years right...I got some time.

Hey Bear

Emailing or posting a video of your swing for an instructor to breakdown. I believe both Ted and Jeff offer this service. I know Ted does for sure 'cause he helped me out quite a bit last winter. Id send him videos from the indoor golf dome here in Toronto..........he'd send me back an analysis with lines, angles drawn overtop of it, split screens etc. Its not as good as a face to face of course but its the next best thing.

You know with somebody like one of Lynns guys doing it ............the swing advice is bang on, precise. Ted wasnt teaching method over the net or anything it was more like ..."OK look at this right here...see that little bit of Steering there...well that was caused by this (running out of right arm or whatever). Its a compensation, so what I want you to do is ......"

Sort of like getting a physical done at the Mayo clinic or something. But without the gowns and blood work.

Im very much the same way ...I like trying to work on both patterns. Three and four Barrel. I've even started goofing with the different Minor Basic Strokes....the Paw , the Pick, the Bat, the Pause, the Pull. The Pull , Paw and Bat are my faves. Left arm , shoulders , right arm.

I do think its best to keep em separated. So you need to identify their separate identities which adds a lot of precision. After a while you can turn components off and on like light switches.

I've been Random Sweep Release my whole life so I want to work on my Longitudinal , rope pulling for Drag Loading, to delay my release ......thats my goal for this winter. Without Yoda and Teds help Id never have known about any of this stuff. I cant tell you how much my ball striking has improved. I was a one handicap when I first met Lynn and Id say Im easily 25 yards longer off the tee now .....three years later, having played the game for 40 years. Im an old dog with some new tricks.

In regard to Rope Pulling , I know there's always this discussion about whether you can swing and hit at the same time. If you confine it to Longitudinal vs Radial acceleration its easy to see that you can do one or the other , or one (longitudinal) before the other (radial) but not two at the same time. You can not radially accelerate and still be longitudinally accelerating the club. "You can not walk in a circle and a straight line at the same time" , reasoned Homer. The longitudinal delays release of #2 angle if the hand path is straight (ish). Think about pulling a rope by its end, straight line......along the ground say......cf will not cause it to throw out radially because their is no cf .....unless the hands take a corner. Sort of like a water skier being pulled straight line, if the boat takes a corner the skier goes out. Thats how I see Drag Loading. Lately Im Drag then Drive or just Drag.

Never been to AZ ........I signed up for a Clubcorp card a few years ago and see there are some nice courses down there I could get on for a reasonable amount.... The photos of the courses in that state look awesome. Someday.