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Max Impact 10-25-2010 12:12 AM

Wanna' "see" a Square Plane Line?
 
Thought you TGM enthusiasts would enjoy seeing how I "locate" the Plane Line with video. I position the camera "on" the imaginary Inclined Plane, looking parallel to the Target Line. I "mark" the Inclined Plane with a drawing tool. When the clubshaft adheres closely to the marked line, then the Plane Line will be within a few degrees of Square to the Target Line. That's the case with this here example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fB2a4UPxcc

12 piece bucket 10-25-2010 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Max Impact (Post 77681)
Thought you TGM enthusiasts would enjoy seeing how I "locate" the Plane Line with video. I position the camera "on" the imaginary Inclined Plane, looking parallel to the Target Line. I "mark" the Inclined Plane with a drawing tool. When the clubshaft adheres closely to the marked line, then the Plane Line will be within a few degrees of Square to the Target Line. That's the case with this here example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fB2a4UPxcc

Could you define "zero Horizontal Swing Plane"? Is that the Plane you prescribe? If so could you describe the mechanical advantages you see to swinging on this angle? Could you describe the component variations you use to achieve this and how they work together with the assumed mechanical advantage of the "zero Horizontal Swing Plane" if that is what you prescribe?

thanks.

Bucket.

Max Impact 10-25-2010 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 77686)
Could you define "zero Horizontal Swing Plane"? Is that the Plane you prescribe? If so could you describe the mechanical advantages you see to swinging on this angle? Could you describe the component variations you use to achieve this and how they work together with the assumed mechanical advantage of the "zero Horizontal Swing Plane" if that is what you prescribe?

thanks.

Bucket.

0* HSP is parallel to the Target Line. The ideal horizontal direction of the HSP will depend on the vertical angle of the plane, the Angle of Attack, and the desired shot "shape". With the standard descending Attack Angle, a 0* HSP will require a very slight Draw. An advantage to this is the simplicity of combining the Target Line and Plane Line into one line. As for "component variations", I don't speak TGM fluently....yet.

12 piece bucket 10-25-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Impact (Post 77690)
0* HSP is parallel to the Target Line. The ideal horizontal direction of the HSP will depend on the vertical angle of the plane, the Angle of Attack, and the desired shot "shape". With the standard descending Attack Angle, a 0* HSP will require a very slight Draw. An advantage to this is the simplicity of combining the Target Line and Plane Line into one line. As for "component variations", I don't speak TGM fluently....yet.

that's cool . . . forget "components" . . . what about arm swing? High Low Depth . . . Pivot? Centered? Weight shift? etc. how would you tell somebody to move their various body parts to achieve this "ideal" direction etc.

Max Impact 10-25-2010 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 77695)
that's cool . . . forget "components" . . . what about arm swing? High Low Depth . . . Pivot? Centered? Weight shift? etc. how would you tell somebody to move their various body parts to achieve this "ideal" direction etc.

That depends on how the player is moving his body now. My instruction is always tailored to the individual. But when working on plane direction, a laser device, like The Smart Stick, and a "plane board" are indispensable. Let 'em see it and feel it for themselves.

12 piece bucket 10-26-2010 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Max Impact (Post 77702)
That depends on how the player is moving his body now. My instruction is always tailored to the individual. But when working on plane direction, a laser device, like The Smart Stick, and a "plane board" are indispensable. Let 'em see it and feel it for themselves.

fair enough . . . however . . . i would assume that you do video lessons and maybe draw lines on people? maybe not . . . but anyhooo . . . . what are the reference points to this "zero" out plane angle . . . where doe the club and hands enter and exit the body? Is it easier to achieve with "low hands" "high hands" "deep hands"? Where does the club generally exit the body on the thru side? Does it even matter? What about the wrist conditions and hand motions? Do you try to keep your left wrist flat? Let it bend? How does all this work?

Max Impact 10-26-2010 02:39 PM

As I said...the reference point for the Plane Line is the Target Line. Variance to the vertical angle of the plane does not change the location of the Plane Line. As for the rest of your questions...they are good ones. I guess you'll have to wait for the book. The point of this post was simply to share a video of a stroke which traces a straight, square Plane Line.....not to explain everything that I know about the golf stroke.

12 piece bucket 10-26-2010 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Impact (Post 77720)
As I said...the reference point for the Plane Line is the Target Line. Variance to the vertical angle of the plane does not change the location of the Plane Line. As for the rest of your questions...they are good ones. I guess you'll have to wait for the book. The point of this post was simply to share a video of a stroke which traces a straight, square Plane Line.....not to explain everything that I know about the golf stroke.

Sorry . . . i thought you were saying this was THE ideal plane angle . . . misunderstood . . . apologies . . . can you field this one though? What is the impact on the HSP and Angle of Attack as the plane angles go from "steep" to "flatter" if other variables are held constant (not sure the can)?

Max Impact 10-26-2010 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 77722)
Sorry . . . i thought you were saying this was THE ideal plane angle . . . misunderstood . . . apologies . . . can you field this one though? What is the impact on the HSP and Angle of Attack as the plane angles go from "steep" to "flatter" if other variables are held constant (not sure the can)?

No problem. Again, the HSP (Plane Line) is not affected by a change to the vertical angle of the plane, either steeper or flatter. The Attack Angle will depend on WHERE impact is made on the plane. But, if impact is made at the same distance before Low Point, then the Attack Angle will be more descending when the plane is closer to vertical (steeper).

12 piece bucket 10-26-2010 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Impact (Post 77724)
No problem. Again, the HSP (Plane Line) is not affected by a change to the vertical angle of the plane, either steeper or flatter. The Attack Angle will depend on WHERE impact is made on the plane. But, if impact is made at the same distance before Low Point, then the Attack Angle will be more descending when the plane is closer to vertical (steeper).

EDIT . . . I have been corrected . . . HSP is just the Machine version of the plane line . . . got it now . . . duh . . . sorry . . . .

Now . . . rephrase . . . does track man have any data on relationship of angle of attack and club head path as the plane angle goes from "steeper" to "flatter" . . .

Thanks Mr. Graham . . . for righting my ship!


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