Refine release.
 

Winter is here so it is time to refine geometry and feel.

I would use the BC sequence to ask a release definition question:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...Bobby+Clampett

Should we feel the start of release at the sequence labeled "release" or is it started at the point the right elbow starts to straighten?

There appears to be so much TGM logic behind the latter. I would like to start the discussion here.

The Bear

You have 4 accumulators. With the hitters protocol they 1,2 & 3 are released simultaneously. Perhaps 4 too? With a swingers protocol you have a much more sequenced release.

The sequenced release goes hand in hand with a dual horizontal hinge action where you first bring your hands down low (acc #1 & 4), then bring your clubhead down (Accumulator #2 and then finish the release with a lot of (horizontal) Acc #3 release.

Sweep release versus snap release versus anything inbetween also matters to when you should feel each of the accumulators release.

So what and when you should feel it depends on your desired stroke pattern. It's your choice basically.

Thanks BerntR,

I'll stick with the sequenced release first. One of the things is that commentators continue to talk about LATE release- The Clampett article talks about late release and lables a sequence element release with the hands already down at the pocket and the right arm 3/4 straight.(see the picture labled release) TGM said that the left wrist is cocked and uncocked ( Accumulator #2 release) by the bending right arm and the right arm is part of release and is thrown into impact. That would make release start at the point the right arm starts to straighten. The frame labled release would be the intermediate point of the 2-3 sequence where #3 becomes dominant. If a golfer trys to force the hands deep before release he gets cocking of the right hand. This may look good and as HK said is hard to detect but is throwing the club at the ball. What do you think?? I would like to fix that because I think I(and many others) "TRY and get late release" and that is wrong Per. TGM


The Bear

Good observation and I agree with the conclusion but perhaps not with the premises. The premise being the frozen right wrist. Take a look at Bobby's right wrist down there. It is maximally bent and I bet that it isn't level anymore either. If you add wristbend and wrist cock in your right wrist as you straighten the right elbow you can hold accumulator #2 even though you straighten the right elbow. I've studied a few supposed to be TGM snap releases and I always see increase right wrist bend and wrist cock just prior to the accumulator #2 release.

I am quite convinced that snap releasers increase the angle between the shaft and their right forearm from the top down to where the Accumulator#2 starts to release. And you can't do that without increasing the combination of right wrist bend and wrist cock.

So I think that is part of it.

The other part is that you initiate your down stroke with a combination of hula and spine side bending - basically tilting your right shoulder straight down towards right pocket. So you drive the right shoulder deeper and fartner. That allows you to keep your pith elbow longer without cheating.

I think you can do the increased right wrist thing without throwing the club. The inertia of the club will do the increase for you if you find a hand path that prevents the clubhead from starting the release before very very late. If you look at Garcia and some other guys with a fast transition (which is typical for swingers) you will also see they put a huge load on the clubshaft during transition. A strong pivot rotation and a clubhead that resists it will increase the angle between the right hand and the club shaft.. Keeping the pressure on the right foot for a long time in the down stroke should keep the pully size small and help to delay the release I think.

Some more data video on release
 

This may add to clarity.
Ben Hogan shows a sequenced release that looks exactly as we are thinking TGM would describe a swingers sequenced release.
More "food for thought" as the expression goes. What do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNlUKLPFwQE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_tkZegUozY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ5Jy...eature=related

The Bear

It certainly has a the sequencing that we're discussing here. But apart from that I don't think Hogan did a TGM swing.

But look at some real hogan swings as well. And try to freeze the frame with hands at hip height. And look how acute his wrist angles seem to be.


But in any regard, Hogans motion is poetry.

Ive never seen this one before , thanks Bear.

I'm thinking any similarity between Mr Hogan's Sequenced Release to what Homer described is not a coincidence.

Did you ever notice how Homer suggests keeping your Left Hand turned to the plane to delay Release? CF will throw out #2 Angle once the clubhead moves to the outside of the Hands (from a DTL view). So dont let it. It is a way of resisting cf... throwout. With a fully bent right arm even assuming the Right Shoulder is taking the intact Power Package Downplane. Look at how nicely Mr Hogan takes his Right Shoulder through the shot. Its a work of art.

Active right arm extension would push the left wrist off the inclined plane inducing Release ....... Simultaneous Release.

Slo mo down the line Hogan .....nice. Period of Right Shoulder acceleration , then left arm acceleration then clubhead and finally ball acceleration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_tkZegUozY



http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=129186786 1

Honestly, I'm lost trying to envision the Throwout from a "DTL view".

Do you see the "pitch" right elbow? It seems to me almost impossible to maintain the RFFW and sequenced release with the #2 uncocking by the right arm straightening without a good pitch right elbow. I am trying o figure it out geometrically if it is even possible to hold alignments without the deep pitched elbow and the smooth shoulder coming down its plane. Is that part of a good release?

The Bear

That's why the pitch elbow is partnering with the swing in 12-2, Bear.

Are you trying to reinvent TGM perhaps :laughing9 (It may be good learning strategy though)