LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - VJ's Hogan Analysis Thread: VJ's Hogan Analysis View Single Post #28 05-31-2008, 02:52 PM 12 piece bucket Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Thomasville, NC Posts: 4,380 Originally Posted by Jeff Golfbulldog That's a terrific demonstration of Hogan's late backswing left-lateral hip shift movement. It gives one the impression that the greatest advantage of the "move" is that it starts to replant weight onto the left foot and thereby brace the left leg, so that it can support the downswing pivot thrust action that is going to happen a fraction-of-a-second later when the downswing starts in earnest. I think that Hogans' "timing" and fluidity of movement is his greatest swing characteristic. Regarding Shawn Clement. He must transfer weight to the right foot at the start of the backswing if he is moving his arms across his body to the right. However, any weight shift is incidental and not a deliberate action. His general intention is to have a centralised swing that is rotary in nature. That's how I think of Hogan's swing - it's a right-centralised rotary swing with no deliberate intent to shift weight in a lateral direction. A key element in a rightwards-centralised swing is that there is rightwards spinal/torso tilt during the downswing, and one couldn't swing effectively with leftwards spinal tilt or with a head/spine axis that shifts left-laterally during the downswing. I like Shawn Clement's concept about bracing the left side with a rightwards spinal tilt. Here is link to another Shawn Clement video lesson that emphasises this point of bracing the left side via the biomechanical technique of rightwards spinal tilt. Note that when he "braces his tilt" he juts his left pelvis in a left-lateral direction. Hogan did that same maneuver, but he did it in the his late downswing when he shifts his pelvis left-laterally. In his one-leg swing video, Shawn Clement stresses the importance of having the right toe flared outwards so that the right hip can turn easily backwards during the backstroke. That allows the arms to move inside along an inside track, and get "deep" without any need for any deliberate independent arm-movements (independent of the overall directional movement of the shoulder sockets). I personally think that, as a side-issue, that his lack of coiling (due to a free right hip clearing action in the backswing) demonstrates that coiling the upper body against the resistance of a limited lower body turn is not a necessary/obligatory requirement for very effective swing power. Jeff. Jeff . . . nice post. I think that Clemments has some very nice pieces. Axis tilt is certainly something that you want in the swing. But the question is where when and how much? I think his recommendation of axis tilt in the set up works for HIS pattern. Since he swing his arms high on both sides he needs tilt early to keep them from flying over the plane. He gets this by a. cheating it in the set and b. by adding more tilt in the backstroke and c. more by more hip slide in his transition. Works well with high hands but maybe not if the hands are lower and deeper. That being said . . . I think he NAILED the Hogan move. Very nice. And anybody that talks about staying tilted with a centered head can be on the A-Team . . . period. He also has some nice videos on his site relating golf to other dynamic motions . . . at times I feel like he may try to sell me some weight loss products or some home cleaning supplies . . .but his information is well thought out. __________________ Aloha Mr. Hand Behold my hands; reach hither thy hand 12 piece bucket View Public Profile Send a private message to 12 piece bucket Find all posts by 12 piece bucket