Thanks for the responses... if there was a World Championship for practising mistakes ... don't even bother turning up ... I am THE MAN ... I will spend hundreds of hours perfecting a way to hit the ball incorrectly ... and then find an even worse way and start again ... I can shoot to my handicap - would be disappointed to be over 90 - usually mid 80s - but I am playing with guys that NEVER practise ... and I am not getting any better than them ... despite all my practise I am not improving ...
... in an average round, I may use 20 or maybe 25 different swings - outside / inside / grip change / twist / turn / pivot / weight transfer / shoulder turn / head still / right side / left side / hands / knuckles / knees / hips / feet / pray ...
... my swing can defy every known law of physics / geometry / science / gravity / medicine / mathematics and bullshit ...
... I can get myself into contortions that Houdini, at his peak, would not have a chance of escaping from ...
...the only reason that I ever bring in a score is that I am a good scrambler ... refuse to give in ... always battling / grinding / suffering incredible turmoil - pain - anguish - frustration ... surely it does not have to be this way ...
... sadly ... I still love it ...
It's not my drinkin that's got me stinkin, it's my my stinkin thinkin that's got me drinkin.
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Amaverick: a wonderful post!
IMPACT-rehearsal is the chosen goal for a particular IMPACT condition for a resultant desired shot shape result!
Where you get to at TRANSITION means nothing (except to achieve enough angles for necessary acceleration on the forestroke), but being on the dynamic IMPACT-plane during IMPACT with the necessary clubFACE motion, clubHEAD path AND clubHEAD speed means everything to your shot results. However, certain TRANSITION positions are more compatible with certain chosen forestroke actions. There are many very sound golf stroke motions that produce great results with minimum compensations. Being mechanically perfect may be a goal, but being personally effective is all you should work toward. We all have personal physical limitations. However, Homer isolated many very correct conditions that one should consider.
Thanks for the responses... if there was a World Championship for practising mistakes ... don't even bother turning up ... I am THE MAN ... I will spend hundreds of hours perfecting a way to hit the ball incorrectly ... and then find an even worse way and start again ... I can shoot to my handicap - would be disappointed to be over 90 - usually mid 80s - but I am playing with guys that NEVER practise ... and I am not getting any better than them ... despite all my practise I am not improving ...
... in an average round, I may use 20 or maybe 25 different swings - outside / inside / grip change / twist / turn / pivot / weight transfer / shoulder turn / head still / right side / left side / hands / knuckles / knees / hips / feet / pray ...
... my swing can defy every known law of physics / geometry / science / gravity / medicine / mathematics and bullshit ...
... I can get myself into contortions that Houdini, at his peak, would not have a chance of escaping from ...
...the only reason that I ever bring in a score is that I am a good scrambler ... refuse to give in ... always battling / grinding / suffering incredible turmoil - pain - anguish - frustration ... surely it does not have to be this way ...
... sadly ... I still love it ...
Sounds like you may need some work on your routine (3-F-5 and 12-3)
If you don't step into a shot the same way each time, you can't expect to make the same kind of motion and get the result you wanted.
The human brain likes patterns. Patterns help us orgainize and deal with a world that is extremely complex. Pre-shot routines are the cure for such complexity in the G.O.L.F. motion.
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Hi EdZ, in fact I am fairly good on the pre shot routine ... stand behind the ball and visualise, step in etc. - some fellow players looking slightly strangely at me - but I do not know how they can expect to approach a ball from the side and be lined up properly ...
... so my pre shot is ok ... it is the constant changing of what comes afterwards that is the problem - different takeaway - different planes etc. --- However ... all that is about to change ...
... I have just taken myself into a corner for a meeting and had a serious discussion with myself ... and I have reached a verdict ... I am going to transfer to the TGM and I am going to stick with it until it dies or I do ... and there will be no distractions by Gurus or golfing magazines or quick fixes ... and the man I shall follow henceforth shall be named Yoda ... and that is it / end of story / finito / goodnight and good luck / amen!
So, you trust your pre-shot routine. Still though, it may or may not be ok.
I think you may have answered the problem already. If you can swing the club or need to swing the club 25 different ways to grind through a round, then I'll bet you have pretty good control of zones 2&3. I'll also bet you don't change any components in zone 1.
Your zone 2&3 cannot be any better than zone 1. I know this, I've been there. I lived there for a long time too. You may have a great feel for zones 2&3, and because of such be able to repeat them pretty well. But you must build your swing from the ground up. Zone 1 changes effect most of zone 2&3 components. You have to change your grip and swing each day, because zone 1 changes.
But hey, I'm not an expert. Read Zone 1 and all components and variations. Then read Yoda. Then read Yoda again.
... The saga begins ... I now set out to undo the damage of 10 years of practising mistakes ...
... ah well, this is a much more civilised passtime ... there is one more complicating factor in my swing ... I play pitch and putt which is fairly popular in Ireland ... play with a club every Sunday - and I play off scratch in that ... Now, when golfers hear that, they say my short game must be good ... but in fact they are two completely different games - like pool and snooker ... in P you are teeing the ball up from 50 - 90 yards and using the same club for 18 holes ... no resemblance to golf ... most good P players do not play golf ... it ruins their game! They tee the ball high - open the clubface and cut the ass of the ball ... I love both games but golf is my No. 1 - so I have refused to compromise my golf swing, such as it is ... try to tee it low and scramble my way around ... and to be fair, I am not doing too bad ... I suppose the fact that I am hitting a ball and putting etc. must be of some benefit to my game ...
From what I have read I would say that BTGM I am a hitter ( oh that's Before The Golfing Machine)- and I think that would be my preferred shot anyway - I have 2 questions ...
1) Should I just concentrate on hitting ... and ignore posts and video about swinging ... it may be easy for Yoda to switch between them - but I think hitting would be more than enough for me to master ... just need confirmation on this.
2)Imagine your left hand is out in front of you and you have a handgun in it - and there is a guy standing facing you - you 'arch' your wrist to point the gun at his feet - is this the way the left hand should be at address - or is this overdone - is it the back of the left wrist/hand that must be flat, if you know what I mean?
Thanks in advance.
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Last edited by Irish Maverick : 05-12-2009 at 04:31 AM.
To aim at his feet by solely using a wrist motion would be Uncocking. If you're using your left hand, aiming the gun to your right would be Arching.
At Address, your left wrist should be Level.....not fully Cocked or Uncocked.....right in the middle.
The three "dimentions" you have to worry about with your wrists are:
Horizontal- Bent and Arched...Flat lies in the middle of the two
Perpendicular (i.e. Vertical)- Cocked and Uncocked...Level in middle
Rotational- Turned (clockwise, i.e. to your right) and Rolled (to your left)....Vertical in the middle
Learning about the Flat Left Wrist is prolly a good start actually....it's called the #1 Alignment in golf.....maintain those Flying Wedges.
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We've covered most of what you need to know in past threads so the Archives and the "Search" feature should help you too.....but search or ask, whichever is easier.
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... thanks birdie_man ... will digest that ... how did you know to write that signature of yours about me before you ever met me? .. I knoweth all about it!
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Last edited by Irish Maverick : 03-10-2006 at 07:43 PM.
you are teeing the ball up from 50 - 90 yards and using the same club for 18 holes ... no resemblance to golf ... most good P
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