What excatly does 1 to 2 teach a student besides two positions? 1 to 2 is fine but it is Homer that is the devil in the details- not going from point 1 to point 2.
Mike is right, the Devil is in the details and the details are different for every individual.
I didn't show Trig the Tomasello 1 to 2 drill which is found in Chapter 7 of the video series in the gallery. I don't have a problem with Tommys pattern as long as its followed to the letter.
My swinging pattern is different than the Tomasello method. I showed Trig what I do for a startup swivel which is working well for me. I don't recommend it for everyone. Trig has a much different swinging pattern than I do, but like the swing and club Ho that he is , he tried it and it seemed to work pretty well for him. His drives were further down the fairway than he's ever been on his home course which he plays several times a week.
I think one of the reasons it helps increase distance is because it creates better conditions for horizontal hinging. When you are rolling as hard as you want through impact, you can't bend the left wrist and you can't steer. I've seen my swing on video and my clubface is NOT open at the top, nor is it closed. Its on plane and as a result, I haven't had any shanks. The difficult thing to get use to with a startup swivel is the absolute necessity to roll hard through impact without worrying about hooking. Your pivot has to be trained to keep up with the amount of roll in your downswing. Over the years I've trained my pivot so I'm not having any issues with hooking. If your arms outrace your pivot, this could be an issue. The problem I'm having is remembering to roll hard through impact so my miss is a solid but pushed shot. Ball position is also a very important factor. It must be positioned directly opposite the left shoulder at Impact Fix, otherwise you have to make compensations on the downswing.
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1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
Id give my eye teeth to be able to free wheel through impact without fearing a hook.
Other than what you have already stated about turning the left wrist, lagging, horizontal,adjusted etc is there anything else? Pitch elbow? Dialed down extensor action during startup? So you maintain the adjusted flat right bent left wrist until when?
Is this standard wrist action or lagging startup swivel? How do you prevent your self from turning too much and getting under the plane?
Sorry for the list of questions, it's a topic of great interest for me.
Id give my eye teeth to be able to free wheel through impact without fearing a hook.
I find that hard to believe. I could have sworn Yoda was working with Davis Love III when I walked up on you last month. You have silky smooth and balanced action.
Back to the results of a turned startup swivel, I'll only tell you only a few things for now. Imagine you just asked the same questions to Steve Ferguson (because I did). He looks at you with a big grin and a twinkle in his eye and says,
"Just trust it".
In my case, I just keep pulling, rolling, and uncocking past impact and into follow through. I think in non-TGM circles they call this "releasing the club". You can't let the pivot stop pulling until your are well into follow through, then momentum will carry that wheel rim around.
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1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
You swingers using a start-up swivel:
Are you swiveling the entire l. arm (do you rotate and feel the l. shoulder socket rotate) or do you only swivel the l. forearm with a wrist action?
haven't experimented myself yet, plan to, but in the meantime wonder if there would be a difference in how that performs and obviously the feeling...
or maybe you guys start the forearm and that links and rotates the entire arm
I guess I'm thinking about a total motion
your thoughts?
You swingers using a start-up swivel:
Are you swiveling the entire l. arm (do you rotate and feel the l. shoulder socket rotate) or do you only swivel the l. forearm with a wrist action?
haven't experimented myself yet, plan to, but in the meantime wonder if there would be a difference in how that performs and obviously the feeling...
or maybe you guys start the forearm and that links and rotates the entire arm
I guess I'm thinking about a total motion
your thoughts?
And hinge action is left wrist turn and roll that turns and rolls the entire left arm wedge and there in lies my problem.
I tend to swivel through impact sending the ball left instead of horizontal hinging through impact. But I also tend towards an angled start up. Im wondering if the two are related? Perhaps horizontal hinging or start up swivel would help my swivel through impact problem. Any opinions? Or are they two separate wobbles or misalignments.
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And hinge action is left wrist turn and roll and there in lies my problem.
I tend to swivel through impact sending the ball left instead of horizontal hinging through impact. But I also tend towards an angled start up. Im wondering if the two are related? Perhaps horizontal hinging or start up swivel would help my swivel through impact problem. Any opinions? Or are they two separate wobbles or misalignments.
I only move my Hands and to a lesser degree my right elbow but I never give much thought to what actively rotating my forearms- they respond to the Hand's task. The RFT is still the PPs tracing a plane line.
Impact problem? I'm a firm believer that impact is only half a hinge action, perhaps even a form of steering if done half way- think beyond impact and fully finished the intended hinge motion properly.
I find that hard to believe. I could have sworn Yoda was working with Davis Love III when I walked up on you last month. You have silky smooth and balanced action.
Back to the results of a turned startup swivel, I'll only tell you only a few things for now. Imagine you just asked the same questions to Steve Ferguson (because I did). He looks at you with a big grin and a twinkle in his eye and says,
"Just trust it".
In my case, I just keep pulling, rolling, and uncocking past impact and into follow through. I think in non-TGM circles they call this "releasing the club". You can't let the pivot stop pulling until your are well into follow through, then momentum will carry that wheel rim around.
Out of curiosity, are you thinking about tracing or anything else when you are working on this or is your focus mainly on the startup swivel?
After a roundhousing fix Ted initiated in my swing this winter, If I don't feel a strong roll through impact, I leave the ball a little right. A work in progress, but I find when thinking about a straight line from the end through the ball, with a 'frozen' right wrist and pretty strong extensor action, I can roll about as hard as I want and never lose it left. Just pull until my arms are straight and pointing at the baseline a few feet in front of the ball. Steve nailed the hardest part for me...
Id give my eye teeth to be able to free wheel through impact without fearing a hook.
O.B.
Bagger really showed me two things. One was the feeling of the right wrist at start-up and then also how to fan the club to the top. It feels very strange to me. It feels like I must be opening the clubface wide but when checking the mirror it is dead on plane. I played again today and had my partner watch it and he confirmed it is dead on plane at the top. So I know what that feels like now and will get used to it. I struggled more today with the rolling through impact and pushed many shots right. I suspect it is because I'm not rolling hard enough as Baggger mentioned. I need a lot of work on this, it's all new to my motion.
, he tried it and it seemed to work pretty well for him. His drives were further down the fairway than he's ever been on his home course which he plays several times a week. 
You can't let the pivot stop pulling until your are well into follow through, then momentum will carry that wheel rim around.
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