I am going to shoot some video and put it up this evening, I would love to hear some of your thoughts on what I might want to direct my attention towards.
Dear Stankbutt,
please explain in some detail the above quote - I'd like to understand that- and also how you see that impacts the clubface.
Thanks in advance.
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1) Not letting my right shoulder go down and out as much as I felt in the past. I do a lot of start down waggles and feel my right shoulder go down just slightly. From there my arms swing past my body.
2) Try to keep the rotation of my body more passive.
I would have also thought that those two actions would predispose to pulling, rather than correct a pulling problem.
This represents my attempt at logical reasoning - correct me if I am wrong.
If one doesn't maintain right shoulder1)thrust downplane during the downswing, then one will run of out of right arm, and the momentum of the moving club will likely produce slight flipping through impact, which will close the clubface and predispose to pulling. By contrast, if one maintains right shoulder thrust donwplane, then one can more easily maintain a bent right elbow and bent right wrist as one nears impact. Then, the straightening right elbow (complete release of power accumulator #1) during the exact moment of first ball impact will keep the clubface slightly open as one aims towards the inside quadrant of the ball. That should prevent a pull, and produce a straight ball flight if the clubface is square at the exact moment of ball-clubface separation. The same logic applies to having a too-passive torso rotation in the late downswing. If the torso slows, the arms will whip past the slow-moving torso and produce flipping. By contrast, if one maintains an active torso rotation through impact, then it is more easy to drive all the power accumulators to a full release post-impact.
Here are two comparative photo sequences to illustrate my point.
In this Hogan photo-series, Hogan is turning his torso very well through the late downswing and followthrough and driving his arms to the both-arms-straight end-followthrough position by inducing a full release of all his power accumulators via the biomechanical mechanism of an excellent downswing pivot action.
In this photo-series of an elderly golfer who has a slow, and incomplete, torso rotation through the impact zone, his arms simply flip through the impact zone and he also has chicken-winging due to i) insufficiently forceful release of his power accumulators to a both-arms-straight position and ii) due to a lack of sufficient extensor action through impact.
Jeff.
In general- I agree.
Assuming you might want more details - and if I were to nitpick a little with a few of my thoughts. I wouldn't use the term thrust - as I would view it more of a right shoulder location- whether the shoulder has thrust or not- if it gets to a location in space where the right arm doesn't straighten beyond the impact requirements then it would be fine- if it does straighten more and the upper right arm adducts across the chest more than intended and you get more internal rotation of the humerus and also more than intended right forearm pronation causing the face to close- whether you have deceleration (throwaway) or not.
The other term that "I" wouldn't use myself as you did - is the term flipping- as that in my mind means the left wrist breaking down- i.e.. bending, which definitely would close the face but I'm invisioning these items as closing the face primarily and not really causing "flipping" that closes the face.
Those are just a couple of thoughts from my perspective- posted in the hope that they might give you some added value. In other words, their posted in the light of learning and not attacking. Assuming we're here to learn- I'm sure you'll use the information or ignore it as you see it's relevance or lack there of.
However, you'll notice that I don't treat 12 Piece Bucket with the same respect - as he is incapable of learning! His IQ is similar to that of a hot dog on a barbecue! I'm requesting Bagger to block 12 Piece from all further quotations of any of my posts- immediately! Finally, you are way to kind- I think it's OK to have full disclosure and let the entire forum know that the 2nd swing sequence is in fact 12 Piece Bucket himself.
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Dear Stankbutt,
please explain in some detail the above quote - I'd like to understand that- and also how you see that impacts the clubface.
Thanks in advance.
Dookyball . . .
Try it . . . get your club make a SLOW startdown . . . when your left arm starts moving towards parallel to the ground . . STAND UP out of your posture . . . your pelvis or hips or whatever go toward the plane line . . . like when you "help the goats over the fence" . . . watch what the shaft does . . . it "lays down" or "flattens out". . . and the butt of the club is raised up. From there you have to do something weird with your hands to get to the ball . . . like flip or have less #3 angle that you intended. . . with less #3 angle the face rotates FAST . . . if you stand up out of your posture early you probably will have a tendency to hit blocks, fast hooks and face pulls.
I fight pulled shots, any help for you guys will be great.
Hopefully it will help the other guys out also.
Nathan
I started a need thread in the emergency room swingers, so hopefully more people will provide input.
I couldn't really see the face in the full swings but on the down the line pitch shots it looks like you have the face a little bit "shut" . . . plenty of cats play with a shut face (Trevino/Boo) . . . You may want to check the video on your full shots to see if you are shut. Looks like your grip is a little turned too . . . not a bad thing. You are not coming over it. It looks like a face pull. So I'd say you need to have more "shaft lean" through the ball which will open the face . . . just make sure you keep the handle more down when you do it . . . if you come into the ball and raise the handle any amount of rolling is going to make the face rotate FAST. And with your grip even faster. I'd say you'd want to feel NO ROLLING until after the ball is gone. Feel karate chop much longer. A good way to learn to get the lean is to REALLY shut the face at address and then take your grip. To keep the ball from going left you HAVE TO lean the shaft forward to open the face otherwise you hook it off the planet. Then gradually bring the face back to square.
Take all that with a grain of salt because I couldn't tell if you were shut on the long stuff.
Watched you video. Appears to me, from studying V.J. Troilo's
book, "The final missing piece", that center of mass of your body
is not getting inside to over your left leg where the pivot should
be. Seems that your weight is staying centered between your
feet. By moving the center of mass to the inside of the left foot
and the left shoulder even with or in front of the ball, Hogan more
or less insured that he could not take the ball to the left. Hogan
was on the left side before he started his downswing. The shift
and turn in the downswing certainly works, but must be done
with great precision.
Try it . . . get your club make a SLOW startdown . . . when your left arm starts moving towards parallel to the ground . . STAND UP out of your posture . . . your pelvis or hips or whatever go toward the plane line . . . like when you "help the goats over the fence" . . . watch what the shaft does . . . it "lays down" or "flattens out". . . and the butt of the club is raised up. From there you have to do something weird with your hands to get to the ball . . . like flip or have less #3 angle that you intended. . . with less #3 angle the face rotates FAST . . . if you stand up out of your posture early you probably will have a tendency to hit blocks, fast hooks and face pulls.
In my psycho mind:
If you "come out of a shot" - which to me means standing up on it- the ball flies off to the right. If you stand up- it's one way to slow down the rotation of everything or stop the face from close. When you increase the lie angle of the club more vertically the face points more right.
I got the shaft laying down or flattening part but "with less #3 angle the face rotates FAST"- doesn't make any sense to me but you may be looking at some context that I'm not seeing and could be right on - after all there are all of factors that are involved that we're both assuming or are not analyzing.
Now, if you just look at the #3 accumulator by itself- and have no #3 accumulator - and sitting on a chair and just rotate your arm/forearm - all that moves is the face- no clubhead movement- and if you have a large number three accumulator then that same forearm/arm rotation means more clubhead travel and a longer time for the clubhead and the clubface to make their rotations compared to a zero number three. In that example- I would see exactly what you are saying i.e. with no other variables in play. But in the golf swing if you stand up and your #3 accumulator is reduced- there are more things going on such as the pivot slowing it's rotation, etc. etc. etc. so the simple #3 accumulator excercise doesn't flow through to the golf swing.
Just my thoughts and assumptions based on my own personal experiences. Let me know if was right in understanding the context in which you see the smaller number three accumulator creating a face that closes more quickly.
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Finally, you are way to kind- I think it's OK to have full disclosure and let the entire forum know that the 2nd swing sequence is in fact 12 Piece Bucket himself.
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