My biggest problem with Mr. Erickson's teaching is that he releases the accumulators 1-2-3-4. Pretty big sausage hanging there for a Homer Kelley fanatic, as I am striving to be...
I can overlook some things, bringing my own swing thoughts back to the book, but I enjoy Lag's philosophy on playing the game, and really enjoy his enthusiasm. Sometimes it's tough to find good, positive people to talk G.O.L.F. with outside LBG and our friends at iSeek. When trying to understand the book, Lynn Blake Golf is the place to be!
Kevin
Kevin,
I'm such a jerk, but I can't help it.
You forgot the Newly Discovered Fifth Accumulator and he does admit to using #4 at Startdown and Impact. So, the corrected order of Release is:
4 - 1 - 2&3 - 4 - 5
((((((Actually, to become an Accumulator, you first need an out-of-line condition to Accumulate and Release.
But don't say anything and maybe nobody will notice)))))))
He is fun to read and has a refreshing perspective on all things Golf. I read everything he writes. And,,, he has had a sobering influence on those British Criminals Down-Under.
You forgot the Newly Discovered Fifth Accumulator and he does admit to using #4 at Startdown and Impact. So, the corrected order of Release is:
4 - 1 - 2&3 - 4 - 5
((((((Actually, to become an Accumulator, you first need an out-of-line condition to Accumulate and Release.
But don't say anything and maybe nobody will notice)))))))
He is fun to read and has a refreshing perspective on all things Golf. I read everything he writes. And,,, he has had a sobering influence on those British Criminals Down-Under.
Don't be angry GolfGuru, it's all said in fun.
Trouble Maker!
I don't know a ton about Mac's teaching, but it seems to me Lag has discovered some of the same things as Mac. I don't think I'm smart enough to ever learn enough about Homer Kelley to move on from G.O.L.F. The yellow book is my chosen rest-of-my-life long study, but guys like Erickson are a huge help to my learning just in the fact that they support TGM so enthusiastically!
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
JE was a trained swinger, almost pure CF. Turned to hitting as the oily CF was a daily feel thing.
His uncocking motion comes from the straightening right elbow as opposed to CF.
Not true Golfguru.
Lagpressure fully admits and teaches to use Both Wrists Like Motors Uncocking Forcibly.
And, he admits to redefining TGM Hitting Procedure to suit his own method and interpretation. Additionally he states:
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I really believe I teach hitting the correct way... not the silly right arm thrusting thing without emphasis on the pivot as I see most TGM instructors teaching..
He still says a lot of great, great things. So, I read what he writes.
I don't know a ton about Mac's teaching, but it seems to me Lag has discovered some of the same things as Mac. I don't think I'm smart enough to ever learn enough about Homer Kelley to move on from G.O.L.F. The yellow book is my chosen rest-of-my-life long study, but guys like Erickson are a huge help to my learning just in the fact that they support TGM so enthusiastically!
Kevin
Dear Kevin,
Please allow me to clear the uncertainty about Mac and John.
At ground zero, place a Professional Golfer. 100,000 miles away, place a TGM Golfer. Then, accelerate them to the speed of light toward each other so that the collision will fuse them together.
Please allow me to clear the uncertainty about Mac and John.
At ground zero, place a Professional Golfer. 100,000 miles away, place a TGM Golfer. Then, accelerate them to the speed of light toward each other so that the collision will fuse them together.
Then you'll have a Mac and John student.
Warm Regards,
Daryl
Thanks Daryl, I ALWAYS appreciate your insight !
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
"I think the thing that is confusing for many of the TGM guys is the position of the right elbow.. it's because of all the bag work that I have done training my hands to fire hard from
pitch, so that I can fully embrace the hit impulse. By bending the right arm more "pitch"
it increases the range of motion for my hands to travel, and because I have trained them
to out race the clubhead.. I actively fire #2 and #3 in unison.. but because I do it from pitch, it looks confusing to TGM guys because they are used to seeing passive hand swingers from there..
This is the secret of the P3 4:30 line I teach, because this way, I still get the full range of motion of the 3rd accumulator, not the trapping "less rotation" action that is typically seen
with hitters using punch.
The bottom line is that to do what I do.. you really need to train the hands and forearms
with a lot of bag work.. then it all makes sense.. including Hogan's three right hands.
By doing it this way, we get the best of both worlds.. the steeper angle of attack of the swinger, so we can be great long iron players, but also the nudge toward holding shaft flex longer than a typical dead hand swinger.. all the while avoiding the arms flying off the body into the post impact parallel plane protocol that Homer talks about in chapter #2.. or what I call moving into an equal angular post impact spiral. The clubshaft stays on a true plane post impact, with an angled hinge, and actually attempts to limit right arm straightening as the upper right arm stays packed on the body. This is why I call this
pivot driven hitting. 2-M-3, "Unless pivot thrust actually drives #4 through impact" well all I have to say about that is... there is no "UNLESS". My golf swing is all about pivot thrust through impact, not just guidance, support and delivery of the power package. Let's not forget Homer's words... "The pivot IS the master accumulator" let us not forget such a noble truth."
"I think the thing that is confusing for many of the TGM guys is the position of the right elbow.. it's because of all the bag work that I have done training my hands to fire hard from
pitch, so that I can fully embrace the hit impulse. By bending the right arm more "pitch"
it increases the range of motion for my hands to travel, and because I have trained them
to out race the clubhead.. I actively fire #2 and #3 in unison.. but because I do it from pitch, it looks confusing to TGM guys because they are used to seeing passive hand swingers from there..
This is the secret of the P3 4:30 line I teach, because this way, I still get the full range of motion of the 3rd accumulator, not the trapping "less rotation" action that is typically seen
with hitters using punch.
The bottom line is that to do what I do.. you really need to train the hands and forearms
with a lot of bag work.. then it all makes sense.. including Hogan's three right hands.
By doing it this way, we get the best of both worlds.. the steeper angle of attack of the swinger, so we can be great long iron players, but also the nudge toward holding shaft flex longer than a typical dead hand swinger.. all the while avoiding the arms flying off the body into the post impact parallel plane protocol that Homer talks about in chapter #2.. or what I call moving into an equal angular post impact spiral. The clubshaft stays on a true plane post impact, with an angled hinge, and actually attempts to limit right arm straightening as the upper right arm stays packed on the body. This is why I call this
pivot driven hitting. 2-M-3, "Unless pivot thrust actually drives #4 through impact" well all I have to say about that is... there is no "UNLESS". My golf swing is all about pivot thrust through impact, not just guidance, support and delivery of the power package. Let's not forget Homer's words... "The pivot IS the master accumulator" let us not forget such a noble truth."
You offered a Video of a 4 Barrel Hitter and asked what anyone thought. I claimed he isn't a 4 Barrel Hitter. I'm correct, but that's beside the point. Thank you for offering the video.
If John wants to redefine a few terms and invent a couple of others, it's ok so long as we all understand the meaning of the Terms. John has found a Pattern that he thinks is very effective and holds up under pressure. He certainly has the credentials to know. He should want and embrace critical review and I'm sure that he does. It's unfortunate that he got me first because I'm about middle of the road on TGM knowledge/Application. More knowledgeable members of this Forum must be sleeping.
But I might be a little more sensitive to these kinds issues because I believe that TGM is a System/Method. Everyone else and John consider TGM only a set of Concepts, Theories, and Components to manipulate into personal custom Patterns, whereas I actually believe in 12-2-0 (6th Edition) and that a Flat Left Wrist is a Flat-Left-Wrist.
But lets be clear that John is teaching a Pattern and that he uses some freedom in redefining TGM terminology to put a name to it. 4 Barrel Hitting.
Everyone teaches patterns. Some single ones. Others multiple ones around a players basic pattern. JE has his and describes it in non TGM lingo. What he does and how he does it are based on the concepts just fine. #5 is a concept too that encompasses F.Swivel in an unusual way.
You can keep looking at the photos all you like though until you stand and "do" with him you will never "feel" the drive thrust in it.
Everyone teaches patterns. Some single ones. Others multiple ones around a players basic pattern. JE has his and describes it in non TGM lingo. What he does and how he does it are based on the concepts just fine. #5 is a concept too that encompasses F.Swivel in an unusual way.
You can keep looking at the photos all you like though until you stand and "do" with him you will never "feel" the drive thrust in it.
He sits within our paradigm.
I only meant to say that JE's Pattern is a "My Way" Pattern. As strongly as he feels about it, he should teach it. But Once a "My Way" Pattern is designed and taught, I wouldn't call it TGM anymore. Call it J.E.M. or something so as not to confuse the Golfing Public.
I truly like what he says about Zone 1. The Pivot should keep moving and move far.
I disagree that everything he does and says resides within the Conceptual bounds of TGM. His theory is Anti-Power Package and Anti-Arm Acceleration Sequence. Additionally, the P3-4:30 position, which means that when the Clubshaft is Parallel to the Ground during the Downswing, but that the Butt End of the Club points to a 4:30 Position (inside Aft Quadrant of the Ball) on the Ball, is off Plane. When the Clubshaft is Parallel to the Ground it should also be Parallel to the Base-Line of the Inclined Plane. I don't disagree with him, but I don't think that his method should be called TGM.
In Fact, he better be at the 4:30 position with the Clubshaft because his hands are so far from the Ball at Release, he needs the extra Time for his Hands to stay ahead of the Clubhead at Impact.
The following Quote from the 6th Edition, Requires that the Golfer use a Turned Shoulder Plane and Hands Controlled Pivot. Otherwise one cannot get the Hands to the Line-of-Site-to-the-Ball before Release. (TGM is a Method) JE has a Picture Perfect Pitched Elbow Location but it's forced. A Turned Shoulder Plane would Locate it Automatically.
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For maximum Power, the position of must be taken with that will allow Delay of the Release until all Components, except the Right Foot and Right Shoulder, have reached, or passed the Line-of-Site-to-the-Ball per 6-B-1-C. Then the Accumulators must move very rapidly toward their “In-Line” Position. But none should actually arrive (lose all their Lag and Drag until well after Impact. Also see 6-H-0.
I fail to understand how the #5 Accumulator has reached Accumulator Status? I can't find an Out-of-Line condition? And especially because its Power Application begins after the Ball is Struck, maybe it should be Termed something other than an Accumulator.
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6-B-0 GENERAL Force is applied to the Ball through the Lever Assemblies. Power is applied to the Lever Assemblies through Pressure Points. Power is applied to the Pressure Points by Power Accumulators. Power Accumulators are out-of-line conditions of the Power Package Components. Out-of-line simply means “not in a straight line from end to end.” Releasing them to seek their in-line condition releases their stored potential. Varying the amount of out-of-line and/or the amount of muscular effort will vary the accumulation of Power that can be Released by the selected Triggering action. Accumulators are numbered in the order of their probable widest use in Stroke Type Combinations.
You (Daryl) stinking middle of the road TGM knowledge level amateuuuurs! This is kind of like the brown bag (engulfed in flames) that Bucket left at my doorstep...I ain't going near it! I do not get the 5th Acc. business, cuz I have a specific definition as to what an accumulator is. As Daryl says it is not an out of line condition...poetic license and TGM is like a cocktail...a molotov cocktail! Still, if you know what you are doing you can do it again.
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