Let me get this straight, JB Holmes is a swinger due to the fact that his Pitch Right Elbow leads and therefor pulls the power package into the ball? A pulling action of the Actively thrusting extending Right Arm, Longitudinal Acceleration, Sequenced Release etc. Is that right? So Pitch is Swinging regardless of any Right side thrust?
If this is correct I can see some logic to it. I really can. Or perhaps its just another 12-2-0 guy displaying what I call "Hitters" envy. Yes its a silent killer people, very sad.
But seriously now folks, Im all for a fuzzy grey area in the middle of the Hitter , Swinger thing its OK except for the other side always trying to claim the guys in the middle. Like who saw that coming with Chastity Bono for instance, but Daryl, JB is a Hitter dang it!
Whats next D, Luke is swinger too? How bout Arnie?
Sure looks like Jb does not load the #3pp at the top and there is a lot of right arm and shoulder into impact. Could be a right arm swinger but looks more like a hitter to me.
Let me get this straight, JB Holmes is a swinger due to the fact that his Pitch Right Elbow leads and therefor pulls the power package into the ball? A pulling action of the Actively thrusting extending Right Arm, Longitudinal Acceleration, Sequenced Release etc. Is that right? So Pitch is Swinging regardless of any Right side thrust?
The Power Package DRIVES the Right Elbow into the Release Interval for Both Swingers and Hitter wannabees.
The Right Forearm of both Hitters and Swingers can Thrust from Release to Both Arms Straight.
This is Ted
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10-3-A PUNCH From a “down-and-at-the-side” Elbow Position, whether the Elbow is touching the Body or not, a straight-line Right Hand Punch is delivered through Impact (6-E). Per 6-C-2-A and 7-19. Except with 10-3-C (Push), the Right Forearm must have a “Fanning” type of motion, not a “Linear” Push type of motion (10-3-C).
This is JB
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10-3-B PITCH (or Slap) From a “down-and-in-the-front” Elbow Position, whether the Elbow is touching the Body or not, a Right Forearm underhand Pitch is delivered at the Aiming Point with a stiff-wrist slapping motion.
The only real difference from 10-3-A is that the Right Elbow can lead the Hands into Release much farther with the same amount of Hip travel (6-B-1-C) and is therefore conducive to greater Trigger Delay (10-20) for Snap Releases (10-24).
So the Difference between Punch and Pitch Elbow is not much. BUT, does the Right Elbow Load against the Primary or Secondary Lever??? Can you Slap the Primary Lever?? Can you Punch the Secondary Lever??
The Power Package DRIVES the Right Elbow to a Location. The Location is dependent on Loading Action. Loading has basically two choices. Load the Primary Lever or the Secondary Lever. Drive the Primary Lever (Hitter) or Drive or Pull the Secondary Lever (Swinger).
Ted, at halfway down. His Elbow is Pointing behind him and is directly opposed to the Primary Lever. At Release, the Elbow is still directly opposed to the Primary Lever. He will make his usual feeble Girly attempt to Hit. Punch the Primary Lever through Impact with his sickly Right Triceps Muscle.
Look at JB halfway Down. His Elbow is Pointing Down and so His Right Elbow and #3 Pressure Point are directly opposed to the Secondary Lever. At Release, his Right Elbow is directly opposed the the Secondary Lever. He is Swinging. He is PULLING the Primary Lever and will Man-Slap the Ball with his Right Forearm Driving the Clubshaft. He may even want three Right Hands and slap that sucker silly.
Sure looks like Jb does not load the #3pp at the top and there is a lot of right arm and shoulder into impact. Could be a right arm swinger but looks more like a hitter to me.
Ya but, look at him at halfway down. His Right Elbow directly opposes the Secondary Lever as it does at Release.
I don't think this is a good example of a TGM power package. The integrity of the right hand flying wedge isn't intact on the photo.
His right hand is cocked at the picture. I believe that is counter productive for the involvement of the right hand through the ball.
If there is one TGM thing that has improved my game it is to keep the right hand quiet all the way from address to impact. The magic of the RHFW really works.
Agreed BerntR.
I'm using JB to demonstrate that the Power Package drives the Right Elbow to the Release Location. Many people don't know how the Right Elbow gets to where it's supposed to go and fewer still understand how to move the Right Elbow three dimensionally so that they can have a three dimensional Impact. Power Package and Extensor Action. If I ever find a good Example of Extensor Action, I'll put it up.
But seriously now folks, Im all for a fuzzy grey area in the middle of the Hitter , Swinger thing its OK except for the other side always trying to claim the guys in the middle. Like who saw that coming with Chastity Bono for instance, but Daryl, JB is a Hitter dang it!
Whats next D, Luke is swinger too? How bout Arnie?
To my Canadian, Single Payer Health Care addicted Friend,
Centrifugal Force is present for Hitters and Swingers. Right Forearm Thrust too.
JB is a Swinger
Ted is a Hitter
But Swingers Driving the Right Forearm allow CF to straighten the Right Elbow and Uncock the Left Wrist. Hitters use Right Triceps Muscle to Straighten the Right Elbow and Uncock the Left Wrist.
You're seeing too much Fuzzy Grey area. You need to see a Doctor. Make an appointment. Let me know in 7 months how it goes.
[list=1][*]The Power Package DRIVES the Right Elbow into the Release Interval for Both Swingers and Hitter wannabees.
By "Hitter wannabees" , I assume you are referring to me, Daryl. But this is the worst case of PROJECTION I have ever seen. You are the guy all over the board on all things Hitting. Admit it, you want to Thrust like a man.
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[*]The Right Forearm of both Hitters and Swingers can Thrust from Release to Both Arms Straight.
I rest my case. But I suggest that the missing piece to your theory is the word,
"actively". All golfers according to Homer thrust the right arm, but only Hitters "actively" thrust, swingers passively thrust.
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1-F RIGHT ARM OR LEFT The “mystery” of the Mechanics of Golf fades away when Right Arm participation is understood (6-B-1). Whether its participation is active or passive is difficult to detect visually because in either case the Left Arm is ALWAYS SWINGING and the Right Forearm is ALWAYS DRIVING. But it is always a Left Arm Stroke unless the Right Elbow replaces the Left Shoulder as the center of Clubhead Arc. (10-3-K)
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Ted, at halfway down. His Elbow is Pointing behind him and is directly opposed to the Primary Lever. At Release, the Elbow is still directly opposed to the Primary Lever. He will make his usual feeble Girly attempt to Hit. Punch the Primary Lever through Impact with his sickly Right Triceps Muscle.
Im thinking Ted could show you a "Pitch/Slap" or two after this comment.
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Look at JB halfway Down. His Elbow is Pointing Down and so His Right Elbow and #3 Pressure Point are directly opposed to the Secondary Lever. At Release, his Right Elbow is directly opposed the the Secondary Lever. He is Swinging. He is PULLING the Primary Lever and will Man-Slap the Ball with his Right Forearm Driving the Clubshaft. He may even want three Right Hands and slap that sucker silly.
Ok maybe you are right. Homer did after all define the Major Basic Strokes according to the elbow position. So, Ill give you JB. But we hitters will claim all other Punch elbow types in return.. Ill trade you Pitch elbow JB Holmes for the Punch elbow Wee Ice Mon then........fair is fair after all.
It is true that I poke fun at Hitters. But really, I think it's a great pattern. I truly respect Ted and admire his Hitting Pattern. He is One-of-a-Kind.
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