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11-03-2008, 04:10 PM
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11-05-2008, 02:34 PM
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Chicken Laden Medial Phalanx
Originally Posted by Yoda
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Two very prevalent misconceptions are surfacing here, and both need correcting.
First, Homer Kelley taught a 'Short' left thumb down the Aft side of the Shaft. Nowhere in The Golfing Machine is the advice given to 'extend' the left thumb down the Clubshaft ('Long' Thumb). Instead, the left forefinger is in a 'trigger finger' condition with the Shaft across the middle joint (the medial phalanx) and with the thumb near the tip. This is far different than the 'long' thumb Grip with its 'in the palm' Clubshaft and consequent 'ham-fisted' look.
Second, most TGM students know that, in the Strong Single Action Grip (10-2-B), the #3 Pressure Point is located on the Aft side (the 'behind' side) of the Clubshaft and that the left thumb is placed on this same line (10-2-0). Unfortunately, few of these students understand the Three-Dimensional alignment (Down, Out and Forward) of the On Plane Clubshaft during Impact. Accordingly, they make a contorted effort to put the thumb behind the Shaft while the Left Wrist is in its classic Adjusted Address position (Bent); the Clubshaft perpendicular to the Plane Line; and the back of the Left Hand facing the Target. This is all wrong.
Instead, the Grip should be taken in the Impact Fix condition. Here, the thumb will be located with the Left Wrist Flat; the Clubshaft leaning Forward; and the back of the Left Hand facing down the Angle of Approach (to 'right field', i.e., the 'alternate Target Line' per 7-2-3). In this alignment, the On Plane left thumb appears (and is) clearly 'behind' the Shaft (Aft). Then, when returned to the Classic Address position, the thumb will appear down the right side of the Clubshaft.
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Good chicken on this medial phalanx. So, the thumb appears to be on the right side of the grip (as opposed to aft side) at adjusted address because the left hand is NOT facing the angle of approach?
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11-06-2008, 12:16 PM
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At Right Angles To What?
Originally Posted by okie
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So, the thumb appears to be on the right side of the grip (as opposed to aft side) at adjusted address because the left hand is NOT facing the angle of approach?
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That is correct. This whole idea as to what constitutes the 'back of the shaft' changes as the Shaft rotates On Plane. That is why, in 1-L #11, Homer Kelley added the boldened words below to the 7th edition:
"Clubhead Force and Motion is On Plane at right angles to the Longitudinal Center of Gravity (the direction of the motion) and varies with the Speed, Mass and Swing Radius." 
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11-06-2008, 05:37 PM
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Thanks Yoda! The more I consider little things the more I believe there is no such thing. Someone wise said something to that effect.
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10-29-2009, 09:12 AM
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So did we decide?
I got into it with a club pro about whether or not an arched/bent left wrist opens/closes, the face of the club. I was unconvincing! I remembered this thread and vjapron's contention that at the top of the swing an arched wrist is in fact causing a shut face etc. Does anyone know for sure? I tend towards an arched lag-insured left wrist at the top I can also clear the left side of the course with the best of them! This would be good to know. Okie out.
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10-29-2009, 10:09 AM
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A Shut-and-Open Case
Originally Posted by okie
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I got into it with a club pro about whether or not an arched/bent left wrist opens/closes, the face of the club. I was unconvincing! I remembered this thread and vjapron's contention that at the top of the swing an arched wrist is in fact causing a shut face etc. Does anyone know for sure? I tend towards an arched lag-insured left wrist at the top I can also clear the left side of the course with the best of them! This would be good to know. Okie out.
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Do this experiement:
Hold the club in the left hand only and extend your arm (with the clubshaft in-line) directly in front of you (and opposite the left shoulder) until the shaft is parallel to the ground. Now, BEND you left wrist (so that the shaft moves horizontally to your left and out-of-line with the left arm). Maintaining this alignment, put the club down on the ground, and take a look at the clubface: It's CLOSED, right? That is, it looks left of the target line.
Now, again assuming the starting position as described above, ARCH your left wrist (so that the shaft moves horizontally to your right), then set the club down. The clubface is now OPEN, right? That is, it looks right of the target line.
So, until they make Inclined Planes different from Horizontal Planes, it's . . .
End of story!

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10-29-2009, 11:27 AM
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Phew!
Thank you, Yoda.  That is what I conveyed to the doubting master professional. I recieved a visceral reaction from the aforementioned authority, although the witnesses were given pause for thought. I needed the safety net of a superior intellect...Bucket does not take my calls anymore!
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10-29-2009, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by okie
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Thank you, Yoda. That is what I conveyed to the doubting master professional. I recieved a visceral reaction from the aforementioned authority, although the witnesses were given pause for thought. I needed the safety net of a superior intellect...Bucket does not take my calls anymore!
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REALLY? Have you tried to holla? Shoot me a message . . . you may have the wrong # . . . we need to catch up . . . ain't got on intellect though.
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