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Old 12-05-2010, 08:51 PM
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Zero Shift?
Is there any video of a zero shift move or maybe a photo sequence?
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Old 12-05-2010, 11:33 PM
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Its my personal opinion that Homer would often deduce the range of possibilities for components. Theoretical maximum and zero say at either end of the range. The results at the opposite extremes, though logical and indeed correct are not necessarily common. So it is with Total Motion, Zero Shift in my opinion. (Shorter shots, zero shift is common.)

Zero shift in a shaft plane sense is rare , but Homer also described a clubhead only plane of motion, zero shift. Where the clubhead travels the TSP but not the clubshaft. Not exactly common either, but perhaps easier to pull off.

gmbtempe....even Moe with his super high hands had a slight shift. I cant think of anyone who meets the criteria personally, but I could be wrong. Me being wrong is well with in the theoretical range of possibilities after all.

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Old 12-06-2010, 12:06 AM
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That's a great explanation OB, of how HK was so complete in his deductions...
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Its my personal opinion that Homer would often deduce the range of possibilities for components. Theoretical maximum and zero often at either end of the range. The results at the opposite extremes, though logical and indeed correct are not necessarily common. So it is with Total Motion, Zero Shift in my opinion. (Shorter shots, zero shift is common.)

Zero shift in a shaft plane sense is rare , but Homer also described a clubhead only plane of motion, zero shift. Where the clubhead travels the TSP but not the clubshaft. Not exactly common either, but perhaps easier to pull off.

gmbtempe....even Moe with his super high hands had a slight shift. I cant think of anyone who meets the criteria personally, but I could be wrong. Me being wrong is well with in the theoretical range of possibilities after all.
...and so bio-mechanically sound and so Plane-oriented. I also appreciate that a "Zero-Shift" is more a benchmark than an actual regular practice.

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Old 12-06-2010, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Its my personal opinion that Homer would often deduce the range of possibilities for components. Theoretical maximum and zero often at either end of the range. The results at the opposite extremes, though logical and indeed correct are not necessarily common. So it is with Total Motion, Zero Shift in my opinion. (Shorter shots, zero shift is common.)

Zero shift in a shaft plane sense is rare , but Homer also described a clubhead only plane of motion, zero shift. Where the clubhead travels the TSP but not the clubshaft. Not exactly common either, but perhaps easier to pull off.

gmbtempe....even Moe with his super high hands had a slight shift. I cant think of anyone who meets the criteria personally, but I could be wrong. Me being wrong is well with in the theoretical range of possibilities after all.
I agree about the clubshaft, it would be nearly impossible, plus I don't set up with the RF on plane.

but

I am very close to the zero using the clubehead as a the gauge (I always thought it was the clubhead we were looking at?), my clubhead actually gets above the TSP on the backswing but lands on it at the top and stays on it to impact.

Thats why I wanted to see a sequence to compare my motion.
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Old 12-06-2010, 08:11 AM
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Exactly , its really hard to get the RFFW on the TSP at Address for the Zero Shift ......perhaps its even "ungolf like". See the photos below of Diane. But minimizing the Shift in a degrees sense when looking down the line.......would in my opinion have a lot of merit theoretically. Brain Gay's shift is very slight, beautiful. Just getting on the TSP in the first place at Top is maybe job one if you had rank things. Getting your Right Shoulder and Hands on the same Plane at Top and then taking the Hands downplane via an On Plane initial move of the Right Shoulder. Not saying Vertical Drop isnt effective or anything , it is , maybe even necessary for those who get above the TSP prior to Startdown. But if you wanted to simplify things mechanically .......TSP.

When I start cutting across the ball , I add a feel for a drop down to a lower plane ......its a feel thing but real too. Startdown waggles which are like TSP drills are a must for Delivery Line training anti cut shot therapy. Sorta like that Hogan drill after the Shells Wonderful World of Golf match against Snead. "Well the most important move in golf is the movement of the lower body...."

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Old 12-13-2010, 09:35 PM
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Setting up on the turned shoulder plane is very ungolf like, also from the picture, it seems that the right wrist is uncock at address isn't it?
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Old 12-14-2010, 12:18 AM
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Hey Daryti, check out the thread...
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Setting up on the turned shoulder plane is very ungolf like, also from the picture, it seems that the right wrist is uncock at address isn't it?
Check this out... http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7831-2.html and tell me what you think.


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