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[airair]

I think it's Ben Doyle who talks about the mind in the hands. Now I see what he is referring to..

[BerntR]

I think ther's a lot of invisible stuff that goes into pivot controlled hands. Stuff that nevertheless makes a big difference to the score.

[airair]

I think ther's a lot of invisible stuff that goes into pivot controlled hands. Stuff that nevertheless makes a big difference to the score.

I'm sure you are right. Some know the feeling. Others read about it. I guess you belong in the first group and you may guess where I belong..

[BerntR]

I am working on it. That's all.

I recently played with a guy that shot 5 under. We were even after 4 holes. He is a +3 HCP'er and I knew he was incredible good before we teed off. In that light, his ball striking looked surprisingly ordinary to my eye. I have beaten a few players with much more impressive ball striking than he pulled off. Or at least with ball striking that appeared to be better when they were hot.

But after 18 holes with pretty good ball striking most of the time, a few excellent approaches, a good putter, very consistent performance overall - and a a score of 67 I was very impressed to say the least. Whatever made the difference was invisible to my eye.

[airair]

I am working on it. That's all.

I recently played with a guy that shot 5 under. We were even after 4 holes. He is a +3 HCP'er and I knew he was incredible good before we teed off. In that light, his ball striking looked surprisingly ordinary to my eye. I have beaten a few players with much more impressive ball striking than he pulled off. Or at least with ball striking that appeared to be better when they were hot.

But after 18 holes with pretty good ball striking most of the time, a few excellent approaches, a good putter, very consistent performance overall - and a a score of 67 I was very impressed to say the least. Whatever made the difference was invisible to my eye.

What's your hcp - if you want to reveal it?

[BerntR]

Just under 6.

I've been around there for years.

[airair]

Just under 6.

I've been around there for years.

Helt i tråd med hva jeg trodde.
(Du kommenterer dette med de lange og rette drivene også? #229 )

[BerntR]

My own experience? Hmm

It's a little like the lottery. I can tell afterwards if the shot was good or not, but I never know what's coming.

My own best drives are when I have less OTT, steep out-to-in downstroke and instead get a more rounded backswing, extensor action without swaying and a loose enough left wrist to get a left arm role thru the ball.(Is that the same as horizontal hinging?). And swing thru to a full finsh.

Sometimes it works ok and sometimes not so ok.

When you say more rounded back swing I take it you mean more horizontal rotation (as oposed to up'n down or vertical rotation). That is perhaps even more important with the driver than any other club.

What about your lower body? Any differentiators there?

You say it's a lottery. Can you judge the outcome of your shots by how the execution felt?

[airair]

When you say more rounded back swing I take it you mean more horizontal rotation (as oposed to up'n down or vertical rotation). That is perhaps even more important with the driver than any other club.

What about your lower body? Any differentiators there?

You say it's a lottery. Can you judge the outcome of your shots by how the execution felt?

The reason I said loose left wrist (probably just as much the RW) is: when I hold too hard (as I often do), I don't get any left hand roll
at all, but block/steer it (with an open clubface) - no wonder it curves to the right.
Edited:
Maybe I should reconsider what's going on. I recall that I actually should tighten the grip of the left hand with the 3 last fingers - and be looser in the right hand to be able to roll the left arm in the thru swing.

How can I tell if it's a roll or a swivel? In case it's a swivel - is that a bad thing?

Yes - a more horizontal rotation in the backswing - I can feel that it's more rounded, because without a deliberate effort to do so, I tend to be way to steep/vertical to the top of the backstroke.

[Daryl]

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How can I tell if it's a role or a swivel? .................

A Swivel tilts the Clubface. For a Swinger, the COG of the Club should be aligned with the Clubshaft during the Downswing so that the #3 PP is directing the Cog of the Clubhead and during Release, the Shaft will Rotate properly around the Sweetspot and not the Clubhead rotating around the Shaft (have you ever shanked a ball?). So, the Clubface is aligned to the Swingplane. Meaning, that the leading edge of the Clubhead is parallel to the Swingplane during the Downstroke. But for Impact, the Clubface needs to be Vertical. So, you'll Swivel from an On Plane Clubface to a Vertical Clubface for Impact.

Do you know how to Swivel during the Backstroke and Swivel the Clubface Vertical for Impact?

Turning and Rolling is the Clubface opening and Closing. Can you hold the Clubshaft in your Right Hand only and make the Clubface close as it approaches Impact without Swiveling (or Hooding) the Clubface. Can you make a very slow motion with only your right hand holding the club so that you can visually "See" watch the clubface close only? Can you do it without tilting the face neither up or down?

They are separate Motions. But Both can be completely automatic as a result of Alignments. Simple if you know the Alignments. Would you like to know what those Alignments are and how to get them?