It's like the Old Saying: "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer". Start with the first wobble and get that alignment corrected. Then the second and so on. The more you have under control, the easier it becomes to get the 3rd, 4th and so forth.
Thank you D! Now I have to really go back to therapy!
Seriously, very helpful answer. I will begin to incorporate the changes asap.
ICT
Best way for me was starting at the finish. Flat left wrist, full swivel at end of swing. Work backwards to find wobble. Put yourself in finish position and then figure out how to get there. Kevin Carter taught me that and it still works better than anything else. One thing you will notice is how much control over the club you have at the finish. I used to smack the back of my neck, I flipped so bad. Now it slots up there like Nick Price.
no, you can Twist your Hands all day. Twisting is not swiveling. The #3 Accumulator is assisted by the #3 Pressure Point. With Horz Hinge Action with the #3 PP, Finish Swivel is going to happen with a Flat Left Wrist. Swinging without the #3 PP Pressure through Impact will require you to consciously Swivel. That's the Hard Way.
What is the chief sin of the over swivel? Is it a failure to maintain the FLW/FBRW and collapse the structure too early?
You can't Over-swivel. You can Over-Twist.
What is the chief sin of the block? Is it a chicken wing and the failure to allow the club to overtake the hands?
The Pivot Blocks the Shot. Or Steering
So where is the happy medium where is the MACHINE?
Start with the First Wobble.
Aim the #3 PP and keep that pressure through Impact or all the way to Finish. Start Slow.
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE GOLFING MACHINE LIVES!
OK, I have been using my dowels.
DELIVERY LINE PREP
DELIVERY LINE UN-COCKING PREP
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP
The "Swinger's Swivel" is a Pivot initiated pull. The only way to get the club to overtake the forearm in a controlled Finish Swivel is to pull from the Pivot and maintain the # 3 PP against the handle.
Now, if my maintain my # 4 PP against my left side and Pivot, not twisting my hands, my Pivot will cause my front elbow to go left and my club to overtake my hands.
I can describe it sort of , but can I do it?
Thank you Daryl and Dodger for suggesting doable solutions.
Of course, with the proper Extensor Action....and drills to roll on the line.
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Last edited by innercityteacher : 03-23-2011 at 08:39 PM.
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE GOLFING MACHINE LIVES!
OK, I have been using my dowels.
DELIVERY LINE PREP
DELIVERY LINE UN-COCKING PREP
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP
The "Swinger's Swivel" is a Pivot initiated pull. The only way to get the club to overtake the forearm in a controlled Finish Swivel is to pull from the Pivot and maintain the # 3 PP against the handle.
Now, if my maintain my # 4 PP against my left side and Pivot, not twisting my hands, my Pivot will cause my front elbow to go left and my club to overtake my hands.
I can describe it sort of , but can I do it?
Thank you Daryl and Dodger for suggesting doable solutions.
Of course, with the proper Extensor Action....and drills to roll on the line.
ICT
Patrick,
Right before meeting Dodger, I got lucky and had studied both those videos in depth. It was at the front of my tiny brain, and just happened to be the prescription Dodger needed. I can't tell you how often I have applied those ideas since then. You can't control what happens through the impact interval on full swings by thinking about impact. Address -> Top -> Finish. Homer Kelley understood it, YODA taught us, all we have to do is pay attention.
Read Dodger's post carefully. Great information there. The difference it made to our friend Dodger's swing was wonderful. Thanks YODA!
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
Right before meeting Dodger, I got lucky and had studied both those videos in depth. It was at the front of my tiny brain, and just happened to be the prescription Dodger needed. I can't tell you how often I have applied those ideas since then. You can't control what happens through the impact interval on full swings by thinking about impact. Address -> Top -> Finish. Homer Kelley understood it, YODA taught us, all we have to do is pay attention.
Read Dodger's post carefully. Great information there. The difference it made to our friend Dodger's swing was wonderful. Thanks YODA!
Kevin
Thanks Kevin. I know Dodger is a golfing beast and he gives good advice! I have to really have Lynn's videos on to get the correct positions over and over. I know he gave me a gift as did Daryl and so many others here.
I have a full length mirror in my spiffy bachelor pad and an impact bag, my clubs and the sorted laundry bins (whites and colors) . That is my only furniture in the living room (LOL!). It has been too cold for yard sales yet, and I am furiously saving my ruples for "the big dance" at Cuscowilla and the epic journey to Minneapolis and Madison and Hershey.
So, anyway, I practice everything, well almost everything , in front of the mirror. It actually reminds me of your Batcave at the luxurious Green Haven.
I set up my laptop and watch the videos and practice in the mirror. I am very,very happy.
I can't figure out why I am so happy, but trust me. I am really feeling great. It might be the "Cuscowilla Borealis," although there is this young lady....ha!
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Last edited by innercityteacher : 03-24-2011 at 11:19 AM.
Thanks Kevin. I know Dodger is a golfing beast and he gives good advice! I have to really have Lynn's videos on to get the correct positions over and over. I know he gave me a gift as did Daryl and so many others here.
I have a full length mirror in my spiffy bachelor pad and an impact bag, my clubs and the sorted laundry bins (whites and colors) . That is my only furniture in the living room (LOL!). It has been too cold for yard sales yet, and I am furiously saving my ruples for "the big dance" at Cuscowilla and the epic journey to Minneapolis and Madison and Hershey.
So, anyway, I practice everything, well almost everything , in front of the mirror. It actually reminds me of your Batcave at the luxurious Green Haven.
I set up my laptop and watch the videos and practice in the mirror. I am very,very happy.
I can't figure out why I am so happy, but trust me. I am really feeling great. It might be the "Cuscowilla Borealis," although there is this young lady....ha!
ICT
You would think in Philly you could find something that fell off the back of a truck, as my college roomate Kenny "the stick" Igliozzi used to say. In seriousness Patrick I am beginning to look at Tiger's swing the same way. Where is the wobble and why? At finish we have a position we try to swing to, a destination. How do we get there efficiently? If we want to use an angled hinge action and head left after impact, would a backswing that is below the turned shoulder plane get there? or maybe a turning shoulder plane would be better? Think of David Toms. The magic of Kevin's lesson to me was eliminating the position consciousness and focusing on the destination. When I got there, I was on plane, hinged perfectly and the ball did what I wanted. This is why a teacher well versed in the golfing machine is necessary. It is like one of those chinese buffets where you go thru a line and tell the guy what you want in the stir fry. It can end up tasting like crap because you are deciding what to put in. Have the chef do it and it tastes great. The components of the golfing machine need to be put together by someone well versed in the book. It is easy to get attracted to a certain plane or hinge and not have the other components necessary to make it work. That is why Kevin had me start at the end.
You would think in Philly you could find something that fell off the back of a truck, as my college roomate Kenny "the stick" Igliozzi used to say. In seriousness Patrick I am beginning to look at Tiger's swing the same way. Where is the wobble and why? At finish we have a position we try to swing to, a destination. How do we get there efficiently? If we want to use an angled hinge action and head left after impact, would a backswing that is below the turned shoulder plane get there? or maybe a turning shoulder plane would be better? Think of David Toms. The magic of Kevin's lesson to me was eliminating the position consciousness and focusing on the destination. When I got there, I was on plane, hinged perfectly and the ball did what I wanted. This is why a teacher well versed in the golfing machine is necessary. It is like one of those chinese buffets where you go thru a line and tell the guy what you want in the stir fry. It can end up tasting like crap because you are deciding what to put in. Have the chef do it and it tastes great. The components of the golfing machine need to be put together by someone well versed in the book. It is easy to get attracted to a certain plane or hinge and not have the other components necessary to make it work. That is why Kevin had me start at the end.
Thanks Dodger. I believe what you are saying but languages have a contextual horizon, meaning that everyone needs a starting point. And after a year of thinking I know something and I have learned something, I am a little fatigued and confused.
So let's take the Both Arms Straight position. I tried to get to that position with my AI who recognized the TGM term but called it something else and said that other things were more important. He might have been right, too. So the fault is mine for not seeking out Lynn or one of his posse early on. I need a "witness" so to speak to tell me when I'm screwing up.
Wobbles are not forever but they last a long time and I really should've journeyed South right away. I did reach out to one of the Senior men in VA but he was busy and retired I think. His writings are foundational and I would've driven the 4 hours several times to see him with very little hesitation.
Spilt milk.
My real solution, I think, is to study with LBG, get certified, find a log cabin in 12 years and hoist up an LBG banner here in Arnold Palmer country. I can sell effectively, when I know I know what the heck I'm speaking about and can demonstrate. Everything is a tax write-off anyway or at least it has been and hopefully will remain so.
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Gents,
I just returned from three cold blustery days of golf in Kansas City with our high school team. Possibly 8 of the finest young fellows in a rather large radius.
Iron Horse, Prairie Highlands and The Golf Club of Kansas. The first two were very fun, challenging courses. The latter was an absolute work of art.
One of our young charges took ten lessons from a "teacher" last fall and winter. The biggest waste of money since we bailed out the banks. His frustration was so severe we could not get him to even just delve into a little BM and AM to begin the remedy.
Had I seen the dodger's message above I could have put him on the comeback trail. He Will be on it beginning Monday. Thanks.
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE GOLFING MACHINE LIVES!
OK, I have been using my dowels.
DELIVERY LINE PREP
DELIVERY LINE UN-COCKING PREP
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP
The "Swinger's Swivel" is a Pivot initiated pull. The only way to get the club to overtake the forearm in a controlled Finish Swivel is to pull from the Pivot and maintain the # 3 PP against the handle.
Now, if my maintain my # 4 PP against my left side and Pivot, not twisting my hands, my Pivot will cause my front elbow to go left and my club to overtake my hands.
I can describe it sort of , but can I do it?
InnerCity
If I may offer a thought on this. You need to allow the Left Arm to Blast Off.
The above Preparation is done when you are at TOP. It is the visualization of the geometrically correct Sequenced Release of the Swinger. The Golfer's Flail swished down plane and pointed at the Straight Line Base Line. The Left Arm must blast off, accelerate away from the Pivot.
As an aside think of this Preparation as the goal or intention of the Downswing making it and the Downswing Waggle , the associated drill, the cure for "Downswing Blackout". While tremendous emphasis is placed upon the Roll of the #3 Accumulator in 12-3 and see also the connection between Horizontal Hinging and compression in the drawings of 2-C, I find it hard to feel this Roll unless I have first Uncocked #2. #2 is "velocity power" while Homer labelled #3 "transfer power". From my own experience Id recommend you practice your Downswing Waggles as per usual but try a Release Trigger a Left Wrist Throw and see if it brings the flail to life. You'll know you've awakened your flail when you feel its seductive easy power. It'll seem very "non steering like".
-From Top , having already slid your Hips target wards a few inches to get your weight on your left side . But with a Delayed Turn so your Hips are still in there turned condition.
-Having established a TSP angle at Top.
-Take your intact , fully loaded Power Package down the Inclined Plane with your Right Shoulder , with your PIvot from the Ground Up. Your Right Shoulder diving towards the plane line as actuated by the Hips which are motivated by the feet ......"Right , Left, Right , Left "
- So Right Shoulder goes down plane in Startdown, then as you approach Release add a little Left Wrist Throw. An on plane left wrist hammering or uncocking to initiate the Release of the #2 Angle On Plane (with the Right Palm still flat to the underside of the Plane).
I personally didnt feel much Rolling till I got the Uncocking happening in my Golfers Flail and you have to Roll to see Homers Flail do its magic. Like a three stage rocket , if you can't find/feel stage 3 , take a look at stage 1 and 2 first.
Another drill to enhance the feel of the left arm Flail (which I also learned from a Yoda demonstration) was to zero out the Pivot by adopting what other teachers have referred to as the "stork drill". Where you stand on your left leg primarily with your right leg just acting as a brace , way back behind the line which makes one swing with just the arms. You cant make contact very easily without letting your left arm blast off somewhat and you cant compress it very well without Rolling a nice little Horizontal Hinge. As you do this drill from Top think Delivery Line Uncocking Prep, Delivery Line Roll Prep, Sequenced Release. Add the Left Wrist Throw for the uncocking and you will see your Golfer Flail appear. A left arm Blast off, with an on plane uncocking and an on line rolling, Sequenced Release. More inside out for balls played back of low point.
The Swingers cure for Downswing Blackout and a method of heightening or isolating the Feels associated with the Startdown , Downswing and Release mechanics. Its all about the isolation of the components and learning to replicate them individually by feel during training, drills, learning. In the end you'll feel a whole but freewheeling golfers flail that operates on auto pilot. Homer said you could almost fall asleep mid swing and it would still keep flailing. Got to find it before you can set it free.
P.S. This throw was a Mike Austin favourite. Think he called it his "power throw" or something maybe. Anyways Homer thought that upon mastery of this Non Auto Left Wrist Throw you could graduate to an Automatic Throw and in combination with the Aiming Point Procedure achieve Automatic Snap Release.... Im still waiting for that day to arrive. Might need a lesson on that one to make it happen. Always been a Random Sweeper.
, in front of the mirror. It actually reminds me of your Batcave at the luxurious Green Haven.
It might be the "Cuscowilla Borealis," although there is this young lady....ha!
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