"an out-and-out PULL, striving to accelerate the Clubshaft lengthwise"
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Originally posted by TFDANOS
10-1 9-C "Drag Loading is the Rope Handle Technique of the "Swinger," an out-and-out PULL, striving to accelerate the Clubshaft lengthwise, from a quick Start Down to Release. Start the Club down as though it were being drawn from a quiver like an arrow – feathered end first. Maintain this motion until the Release switches ends. This is possible only if, and for as long as, Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path . . . " [p. 195, 6th Edition]."
Can we talk more about this. I have trouble understanding exactly what this feeling is like.
Your "feel" will be based on the proper execution of the "mechanics".
Will extensor action from the top without uncocking your left wrist put you in this " quiver" like position?
Yes.
I just want to make sure this doesn't create casting.
If you define casting as unintended early release of the left wrist cock, rest easy. Longitudinal acceleration of the club shaft doesn't adversely affect left wrist cock.
If you associate casting with the right shoulder moving around and over the plane angle instead of down plane, that would be associated with the improper execution of the hip turn.
This also means don't pull the butt of the club towards your aiming point right?
In fact, it exactly means to pull the clubshaft down the face of the Plane Angle in a straight line towards your Aiming Point. This Sraight Line Delivery Path (7-23) is Homer's recommended component (10-23-C) for Swinging.
ALso, what does the right shoulder do?
At the Start Down, the Right Shoulder accelerates briefly due to Hip Turn and the resulting Axis Tilt. It then continues to move down the plane angle (2-H) to allow the hands in their correct Impact Alignments to move down the Delivery Path , down through Impact, down through Low Point to reach Follow Through.
I am just trying to understand what I am suppose to be feeling once I do my hip slide to start the downswing.
I hope this helps.
Thanks!!
Still not clear but getting close.
IC T
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Many of you read our posts and we like that. I have to tell you that once upon a time, I was an ordained Presbyterian minister. I am no longer. You would think that being a member of such a community is all "sweetness and light." I can assure you it is not. I am literally writing a book about my experiences redemptive, but really awful.
In stark contrast, I am a school teacher and member of this site, and I attend Al-anon because of the many alcoholics in my life. That group, this site, and my inner-city kids are some of the most genuine and helpful people I have ever met.
Those of you that only read the site are missing a real gift. it is the dead of summer and the pros here are making a living giving, I hope, a thousand lessons or competing with other serious competitors to grow as golfers. So they are a little slower to answer than in the winter.
But here's the point of this missive. SEARCH OUR FORUMS AND ASK US QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE GROW TOO, WHEN WE ANSWER. EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO SHOOT SUB-PAR IS IN OUR FORUMS IN THE PAST. BE PATIENT, USE US AND BENEFIT SO WE CAN BENEFIT, TOO.
How would I get to par shooting quickly? Schedule a lesson with Lynn or someone he designates in your area. THESE GUYS KNOW HOW TO GOLF AND HOW TO TEACH! YOU WILL NOT WASTE MONEY! TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU LEARN HERE AND WE WILL HELP REMIND YOU OF THE MANY INSIGHTS YOU WILL BE EXPOSED TO.
ROPE HANDLE TECHNIQUE- after you have done the MacDonald marching drills in BALANCE and learned the Right Forearm Takeaway with moderate Extensor Action you need to educate your Hands/Clamps and use your Arms as your Pivot starts you Down or you will lack real Power and Precision though you will have modestly improved perhaps to the low 80's or even high 70's. To me, that is a waste of time as a final destination though a good rest stop along the proverbial Route 66.
THE ROPE HANDLE TECHNIQUE as I understand it now from Daryl, and OB, and KevCarter and as I have seen it done by YODA and several gifted people he has taught is PRECISE AND MOY INCREDIBLE!
PIVOT IN BALANCE, TRACE THE BASELINE OF THE PLANE TO SHOULDER HEIGHT (pretend your a native American saying HOW with right hand stopping In front of your back shoulder), PIVOT DOWN AND ONCE YOU FEEL THE PP # 2 OR PP # 3 LOAD WITH LAG, USE YOUR LEFT HAND TO HAMMER YOUR FISTS AT THE BALL-KARATE CHOP OR SMOOTHLY DRAG THAT ROPE TO THE BALL AND YOUR FINISH SWIVEL WILL BE ASSURED AND "YOUR SHOTS WILL ACT A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENTLY!" I will add the "Vertically Uncocking Left Wrist video later since filters are preventing me now.
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Last edited by innercityteacher : 06-08-2011 at 04:14 PM.
Many of you read our posts and we like that. I have to tell you that once upon a time, I was an ordained Presbyterian minister. I am no longer. You would think that being a member of such a community is all "sweetness and light." I can assure you it is not. I am literally writing a book about my experiences redemptive, but really awful.
In stark contrast, I am a school teacher and member of this site, and I attend Al-anon because of the many alcoholics in my life. That group, this site, and my inner-city kids are some of the most genuine and helpful people I have ever met.
Those of you that only read the site are missing a real gift. it is the dead of summer and the pros here are making a living giving, I hope, a thousand lessons or competing with other serious competitors to grow as golfers. So they are a little slower to answer than in the winter.
But here's the point of this missive. SEARCH OUR FORUMS AND ASK US QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE GROW TOO, WHEN WE ANSWER. EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO SHOOT SUB-PAR IS IN OUR FORUMS IN THE PAST. BE PATIENT, USE US AND BENEFIT SO WE CAN BENEFIT, TOO.
How would I get to par shooting quickly? Schedule a lesson with Lynn or someone he designates in your area. THESE GUYS KNOW HOW TO GOLF AND HOW TO TEACH! YOU WILL NOT WASTE MONEY! TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU LEARN HERE AND WE WILL HELP REMIND YOU OF THE MANY INSIGHTS YOU WILL BE EXPOSED TO.
ROPE HANDLE TECHNIQUE- after you have done the MacDonald marching drills in BALANCE and learned the Right Forearm Takeaway with moderate Extensor Action you need to educate your Hands/Clamps and use your Arms as your Pivot starts you Down or you will lack real Power and Precision though you will have modestly improved perhaps to the low 80's or even high 70's. To me, that is a waste of time as a final destination though a good rest stop along the proverbial Route 66.
THE ROPE HANDLE TECHNIQUE as I understand it now from Daryl, and OB, and KevCarter and as I have seen it done by YODA and several gifted people he has taught is PRECISE AND MOY INCREDIBLE!
PIVOT IN BALANCE, TRACE THE BASELINE OF THE PLANE TO SHOULDER HEIGHT (pretend your a native American saying HOW with right hand stopping In front of your back shoulder), PIVOT DOWN AND ONCE YOU FEEL THE PP # 2 OR PP # 3 LOAD WITH LAG, USE YOUR LEFT HAND TO HAMMER YOUR FISTS AT THE BALL-KARATE CHOP OR SMOOTHLY DRAG THAT ROPE TO THE BALL AND YOUR FINISH SWIVEL WILL BE ASSURED AND "YOUR SHOTS WILL ACT A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENTLY!" I will add the "Vertically Uncocking Left Wrist video later since filters are preventing me now.
IC T
Thanks for the above statement, City. Your take on this stuff is very helpful.
Now, get back to those kids and teach them that computer stuff.
Thanks for the above statement, City. Your take on this stuff is very helpful.
Now, get back to those kids and teach them that computer stuff.
I have a modified schedule and am in a 95 degree room so I am keeping myself awake by writing.
IC T
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
I wish it would get even close to 95 degrees outside here in the Northwest
And I don't mean collard!
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More to come on Plane!
Thanks Lynn, thanks LBG crew!
IC T
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Scoring = Club On Plane in Balance=Right Elbow Bent=Plane of Glass
Originally Posted by JerryG
Man, I know what you mean, City. I've never struck it better, but the scoring just isn't there yet. For us old guys, maybe tomorrow.
When Lynn showed me how to putt he put me On Plane in Balance with my Right Forearm and my Right Elbow was always bent. (When I miss a putt it is a speed mistake.)
When Lynn showed me how to chip, he put me On Plane in Balance with my Right Forearm and my Right Elbow was always bent. (This technique has saved me 20 strokes a round!) ( I used my Hogan lob wedge, pitching wedge, 8 and 9 irons, yesterday.The technique is so dependable, that my mind is not use to the ball flying so straight and true yet, and it cost me four strokes yesterday. LOL)
When Lynn showed me how to MacDonald March and lift my left foot, he put me On Plane in Balance with my Right Forearm and my Right Elbow was always bent.
Every club has its own Plane. Every club has its own Plane of Glass. Lynn showed me how to get On Plane in Balance with my Right Forearm and my Right Elbow was always bent.
When my Right Elbow is bent, assuming good grip and balance, I can score, in fact, anyone can score!
My new favorite videos! Check out 1:31 and 2:02 and 2:49 in the tape!
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Last edited by innercityteacher : 06-12-2011 at 06:47 PM.
When Lynn showed me how to putt he put me On Plane in Balance with my Right Forearm and my Right Elbow was always bent. (When I miss a putt it is a speed mistake.)
When Lynn showed me how to chip, he put me On Plane in Balance with my Right Forearm and my Right Elbow was always bent. (This technique has saved me 20 strokes a round!) ( I used my Hogan lob wedge, pitching wedge, 8 and 9 irons, yesterday.The technique is so dependable, that my mind is not use to the ball flying so straight and true yet, and it cost me four strokes yesterday. LOL)
When Lynn showed me how to MacDonald March and lift my left foot, he put me On Plane in Balance with my Right Forearm and my Right Elbow was always bent.
Every club has its own Plane. Every club has its own Plane of Glass. Lynn showed me how to get On Plane in Balance with my Right Forearm and my Right Elbow was always bent.
When my Right Elbow is bent, assuming good grip and balance, I can score, in fact, anyone can score!
My new favorite videos! Check out 1:31 and 2:02 and 2:49 in the tape!
I pull the club through impact, much like throwing a frisbee, but I never felt like a true swinger. At 6'3 230 lbs, I look more physically like a hitter. Flexible enough to have high hands at the top, full turn, and have a very (very) inactive right arm in my downswing.
My question: I have a powerful feel with PP#3. I preach to my friends the importance of PP#3 with a bent right wrist. I call it my ping pong paddle pressure point.
Oh yes, the question: Am I fooling myself in concentrating on swing applications with such powerful PP#3 applied to the ball?
Yoda wrote:
armourall2 wrote:
Yoda,
Quote:
At address, Larry Nelson -- "Hogan with a smile" -- has always set up with his Hands in their Impact Location and Alignments.
Would that include an on-plane Right Forearm?
"You got it! Swingers Pull the Club down behind them just like it is a piece of string. They crank up the Gyroscope of the Circling Clubhead, keep their Right Arm passive, and then let Centrifugal Force do the rest of the work. Hitters start out Pulling, too, but once their Right Shoulder has supplied the initial Thrust, they start Pushing against the back of the Shaft -- just like it was an Axe Handle -- and they use their Active Right Arm and Elbow to Drive the Club through Impact. That's one reason, by the way, you like those very stiff Shafts. They're great to Push against."
So much to read, I'm trying to catch up.
So a hitter could use a pulling "rope pull" action to start the downswing? This is what I feel and used as a swing thought at first, when I start the swing. At what point, as with Larry Nelson, would the right shoulder take over? Would the hands be reaching the right thigh? Does Els do this too? He has a tremendous straight line to the ball with his right arm, some days I think he swings, other days he hits. The fact that he looks some smooth throws preception off.
I was afraid when I wrote that "the Hitter starts out pulling, too"that the action would be misinterpeted and, like Job of the Old Testament,"my fears have come to pass."
The Golf Stroke is always a Left Arm Stroke as long as the Left Shoulderserves as the Center of the Clubhead Arc. In that sense, both Hitters andSwingers must 'Pull' from the Top (8-6) of the Stroke. However, the Swinger'slong Backstroke typically goes to the End (10-21-C), and then he Pullsthe Club down like it was a piece of string trailing behind him. Then,having cranked up the Gyroscope of the orbiting Clubhead, he 'hangs on' asCentrifugal Force Powers the Club through Impact. The Hitter'sBackstroke, on the other hand, typically ends at the Top (10-21-A) whenhis Right Elbow has become completely Bent. Then, after the initial Downstroke ShoulderAcceleration (8-7), he accelerates the Club by Pushing against theClubshaft as if it was an Axe Handle.
At the Top then, the Hitter resists the Inertia of the moving Club (whichwants to continue On Plane Up, Back and In). This resistance to the ClubheadInertia causes the Lag Pressure to Load against the No. 3 Pressure Point and iscalled Drive Loading (10-19-A). Once the Right Shoulder has provided theinitial Downstroke Acceleration (2-M-4), the Hitter begins his Right Arm Pushing,Driving Motion through Impact. The Swinger, on the other hand, with hislonger End Backstroke, allows the Club to come to rest against the firstknuckle of the Right Hand. He then Loads the Lag Pressure against thatPoint by Pulling the Club down lengthwise -- Drag Loading (10-19-C).
At the Top then, the Hitter has not changed in the slightest his ImpactFix alignments, i.e., Left Wrist Flat and Right Wrist Bent. Therefore, theClubshaft has maintained its position against the No. 3 Pressure Point, and theShaft is still pointing skyward. The Swinger, on the other hand, Turns(4-C-2) his Left Hand against the Plane in the Backstroke (Standard Left WristAction of 10-18-A). He typically goes to parallel (and perhaps beyond),and this has caused the Clubshaft to Load down against the first knuckle of theRight Hand. This Action gives the Swinger the Feel of having Rotated the LeftWrist and Lag Pressure Point one-quarter Turn in the Backstroke.
The Hitter, on the other hand, feels no such Rotation. Instead, he sensesHomer's "Hitter's Guiding Principle:"
"At the Top, you should feel that absolutely nothing has changed inyour Impact Fix Wrist alignments and that you are in perfect postion to Slapthe Ball with the palm of your Right Hand."
The Swinger, having Rotated his Left Wrist in the Backstroke, then maintainsthat position through the Start Down, Downstroke and Release. This is the Swinger's'Left Hand Karate Chop' to the Ball. The Action of this Left Hand 'PalmDown' to the Plane' surface actually overrides the 'natural action' ofthe Hitter's constant On Plane Rolling from the Top (caused by theTurning of the Body and the Swinging of the Arms and Hands). The Swinger'sRotation must ultimately be reversed -- this is the function of the Swivel-- in order to restore the Impact Fix alignments.
The Hitter needs no such Swivel because his Left Hand has been Closing from thetime it left the Top in Start Down. From Release, he simply Drives his RightArm through Impact in a Straight Line Motion.
If you are thinking that there is a lot more going on with Swinging thanwith Hitting, you are right. If you are thinking that Hitting, oncemastered, can be the superior alternative, you may be right there, too.It's all about personal preference. I, for one, feel more far more incontrol and am decidedly more accurate Hitting. The reason is that youare never out of your Impact Fix Alignments. And as for Homer:
"You'll all become Hitting Nuts."
Regarding Ernie Els, I have personally never seen him Hit. He Loads to Swing,and then he does.
My emphasis.
IC T
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Last edited by innercityteacher : 06-12-2011 at 06:48 PM.
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