I've figured things out by reading several old posts, and had the chance to beat some balls today with much success.
I was banging my driver 285+ carry.
My efforts were spent on the following thing:
-- Pivot: getting the left side out of the way
-- RFP/ the folding back of the right wrist
-- The right forearm karate chop (seems to open the club face and prevent a heavy draw --hook--
-- Acquired Motion to ensure that I'm using a horizontal hinge.
How does TT' stroke pattern relate to the Maximum Participation Stroke???
I was releasing from the top of my swing and believe that I was generating max power with a sweep release. How is this possible?
I was taught that a sweep release should result in shots that are a club length shorter than using a snap release.
I've figured things out by reading several old posts, and had the chance to beat some balls today with much success.
I was banging my driver 285+ carry.
My efforts were spent on the following thing:
-- Pivot: getting the left side out of the way
-- RFP/ the folding back of the right wrist
-- The right forearm karate chop (seems to open the club face and prevent a heavy draw --hook--
-- Acquired Motion to ensure that I'm using a horizontal hinge.
How does TT' stroke pattern relate to the Maximum Participation Stroke???
I was releasing from the top of my swing and believe that I was generating max power with a sweep release. How is this possible?
I was taught that a sweep release should result in shots that are a club length shorter than using a snap release.
Watch the Tomasello Letter 2 video for the answers...
Just got back from Disney World a few days ago after having played the Magnolia Course at Walt Disney World (Home of the Funai tournament). The course is in great shape and it features some pretty challenging green complexes in terms of putting. Usually I can pretty much overpower courses from my traditional Blue Tees, but this was a pretty tough course due to the longish par 3s and brute force par 5s.
At any rate, I have been incubating the Tomasello Letter series...specifically Letter Series #2. I have been trying to reconcile this with a school I took from Martin Green several years ago as well as my lessons with Yoda. Martin Green is based at the Hombre club in Florida and is a protege of Peter Croker. He has an absolutly beautiful swing and could really crank the ball. Martin had me "throwing" the club, but he had me focusing on the pressure in my fingers and that worked sometimes, but also lead me into trouble other times (throwaway). I think I really just didn't "get it" though. However, through this forum and my lessons with Lynn, I really began to understand how the hands, arms, and club form the flying wedges.
At any rate, the Tomasello description of the right arm motion - and swing for that matter - is so simple that it is absolutely mind boggling! I practiced for about 2 weeks in my basement prior to leaving (no range time) and hit some of the longest and straightest drives in my lifetime while at Disney while chalking up one of my best scores ever. I am talking monster drives and I was already pretty strong off the tee to begin with.
I also found it helpful to eliminate all thoughts of lateral motion in my swing because I come from both a baseball and tennis background. I never felt as if I was "stepping into a pitch" as is commonly taught to youngsters and on the tennis court I could pound shots all day long from the baseline without thoughts of weightshift and all that jazz . My right forearm keyed the motion and I could smash the ball into oblivion.
So to make a long story short, I really feel like my right arm is controlling my swing and it moves DOWN the plane in a karate chopping motion just as Tomasello recommends. The hips rotate without swaying (checkout the 8board or get a pair of swivel disks from Peter Croker or also check out the swivel disks at exertools) and I really feel like I am building on my earlier athleticism.
I was at Mark Evershed's website and chance upon his baseball drill. My god, just forgetting everything and using a baseball swing on an incline plane is working wonders for me. It is a right arm action. And on the first day trying out the drill, I began to hit some of my best shots ever, no more slices. And I found that I am one of those guys that cannot maintain a flat left wrist at the top.
Mark Evershed is Tom's student and he acknowledges it.
Also, in one audio between HK, Lynn and Tomesello, HK mentioned that the swing is a natural action and thus easier to learn than hitting. I am wondering now if he is refering to a baseball type swing on an inclined plane.
I am trying to reconcile TT's teachings with the baseball swing. I feel that they are actually the same or very similar.
And I am finding out more things about myself, my own percularites. I also found two swing thoughts that are disrupting my swing, a flat left wrist at the top and pitch elbow position. I am having more success by letting them occur naturally.
And like what Tom said, if you keep turning, you can hit as hard as you want with your right hand without the right wrist breaking down. It is the same as in the baseball swing.
A lot of things is just an illusion.
BTW, I'm just a beginner still trying to find out what works.
Just got back from Disney World a few days ago after having played the Magnolia Course at Walt Disney World (Home of the Funai tournament). The course is in great shape and it features some pretty challenging green complexes in terms of putting. Usually I can pretty much overpower courses from my traditional Blue Tees, but this was a pretty tough course due to the longish par 3s and brute force par 5s.
At any rate, I have been incubating the Tomasello Letter series...specifically Letter Series #2. I have been trying to reconcile this with a school I took from Martin Green several years ago as well as my lessons with Yoda. Martin Green is based at the Hombre club in Florida and is a protege of Peter Croker. He has an absolutly beautiful swing and could really crank the ball. Martin had me "throwing" the club, but he had me focusing on the pressure in my fingers and that worked sometimes, but also lead me into trouble other times (throwaway). I think I really just didn't "get it" though. However, through this forum and my lessons with Lynn, I really began to understand how the hands, arms, and club form the flying wedges.
At any rate, the Tomasello description of the right arm motion - and swing for that matter - is so simple that it is absolutely mind boggling! I practiced for about 2 weeks in my basement prior to leaving (no range time) and hit some of the longest and straightest drives in my lifetime while at Disney while chalking up one of my best scores ever. I am talking monster drives and I was already pretty strong off the tee to begin with.
I also found it helpful to eliminate all thoughts of lateral motion in my swing because I come from both a baseball and tennis background. I never felt as if I was "stepping into a pitch" as is commonly taught to youngsters and on the tennis court I could pound shots all day long from the baseline without thoughts of weightshift and all that jazz . My right forearm keyed the motion and I could smash the ball into oblivion.
So to make a long story short, I really feel like my right arm is controlling my swing and it moves DOWN the plane in a karate chopping motion just as Tomasello recommends. The hips rotate without swaying (checkout the 8board or get a pair of swivel disks from Peter Croker or also check out the swivel disks at exertools) and I really feel like I am building on my earlier athleticism.
Thoughts?
E.
Great to hear the progress some of the forum members are experiencing with the Magic of the Right Forearm...
Last Saturday I experienced the same long and straight drives...like frickin Magic.
I am trying to reconcile TT's teachings with the baseball swing. I feel that they are actually the same or very similar.
And I am finding out more things about myself, my own percularites. I also found two swing thoughts that are disrupting my swing, a flat left wrist at the top and pitch elbow position. I am having more success by letting them occur naturally.
And like what Tom said, if you keep turning, you can hit as hard as you want with your right hand without the right wrist breaking down. It is the same as in the baseball swing.
A lot of things is just an illusion.
BTW, I'm just a beginner still trying to find out what works.
cheers,
daniel
Evershed uses the baseball drill to teach students how to swing on plane, and to prevent the pitfalls of being off plane. Delaware told me in a PM several months ago to use Evershed's Knowledge video as my textbook for 'magic of the right forearm' swinging, and I would suggest that everyone else that is learning this pattern do the same.
I scored 79 on Friday with windy conditions using Eversheds pattern, and I just creamed the ball with a tour player-like trajectory. It was cool being able to play a draw that could sail under the wind, and drop softly on to the greens.
Evershed seems to focus on a different set of components than Tomaselo. He is all about keeping the right hand in it bent back condition, and swinging left. Mark's version of TT's extensor action drill is interesting, and it kind of shows you the relationship between his pattern and TT's. I've started using TT's extensor action drill while holding a golf club in my left hand, making the drill more task oriented. Mark's pattern seems like a switters stroke.
Good Golfling to you all.
Last edited by ChangeMySwing : 12-03-2006 at 03:44 AM.
Evershed uses the baseball drill to teach students how to swing on plane, and to prevent the pitfalls of being off plane. Delaware told me in a PM several months ago to use Evershed's Knowledge video as my textbook for 'magic of the right forearm' swinging, and I would suggest that everyone else that is learning this pattern do the same.
I scored 79 on Friday with windy conditions using Eversheds pattern, and I just creamed the ball with a tour player-like trajectory. It was cool being able to play a draw that could sail under the wind, and drop softly on to the greens.
Evershed seems to focus on a different set of components than Tomaselo. He is all about keeping the right hand in it bent back condition, and swinging left. Mark's version of TT's extensor action drill is interesting, and it kind of shows you the relationship between his pattern and TT's. I've started using TT's extensor action drill while holding a golf club in my left hand, making the drill more task oriented. Mark's pattern seems like a switters stroke.
Good Golfling to you all.
What swinging left means in the Evershed video is..."1-L-15" in TGM. That's it. Mark wants to insure that students are achieving 1-L-15. Nothing more nothing less.
What I got out of Evershed's book "The Golf Solution" was the Quiet Body and the section called the Sequence....good drills in both sections of the book. When I first received Mark's book I had an illness that kept me off the golf course for a month, I practiced the drills in that book during that duration. The first tournament that I entered after that month long of study and practice, I won.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 12-04-2006 at 01:48 AM.
TT mentioned in the video that he is using a push basic stroke pattern. This really clears up some frustration for me as I was trying to use a pitch basic stroke and ran into some problems.
However, isn't a push basic stroke pattern a hitting procedure? Or would you classify the right arm swing as a modified hitting procedure?
and I was already pretty strong off the tee to begin with. 
. My right forearm keyed the motion and I could smash the ball into oblivion. 
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