Where exactly the end of the Follow Through is isn't that important to this discussion.
So what do you think of the over-swivel Ben has after his Hinge Action?
Or do you not think that's not an over-swivel at all?
Do you think because the ball is long gone after Impact, it doesn't matter whether the clubface turns back on to the plane or not?
Are you saying the standard TGM recommendation that the Left Wrist should Swivel back to its parallel to the Plane alignment after the Follow Through shouldn't be taught to everyone?
I'm saying, where Ben was said to be at the end of follow through is past HIS follow through. Hinge action really only occurs or matters while the ball is on the clubface. After that it's gone. Do whatever you want, the ball went dead straight.
I'm saying, where Ben was said to be at the end of follow through is past HIS follow through. Hinge action really only occurs or matters while the ball is on the clubface. After that it's gone. Do whatever you want, the ball went dead straight.
I see, so you're saying you should just make sure you have a good Hinge Action so the ball goes straight, and whatever happens after that doesn't matter, so all this talk in TGM about having the Left Wrist parallel to the Plane for the Finish Swivel is irrelevant.
This is contrary to what Yoda was saying, because his line of thought is that even though the ball is long gone at Follow Through, your Computer knows you haven't got a proper Finish Swivel, and this will adversely affect what happens during Impact and hence your ball flight.
Didn't say you shouldn't strive for perfection. Just that I have seen some of the best ever do it different ways. So, the computer is a lot better computer than we give it credit for. The swivel is more important for some people than others.
Last edited by Tom Bartlett : 05-06-2006 at 11:50 AM.
So the ball encounters the clubface. And stays on it for a defining moment. During that moment the ball will experience a delivery of kinetical energy. The amount delivered will be proportional to the difference in clubhead speed before and after separation.
The ball does not volontarily move. The ball "tries to stop the clubhead". If the ball succeeds there will be no golf. So we'd better deliver a very clear message.
So how can we make sure the ball gets the idea?
By telling the hands: Thou shalt not care about the ball. All you should care about is ending up swiveling on-plane at chest height. And by telling the eyes: If you are talking to someone you should look straight him straight in the eye.
All-in-all I believe what Yoda is saying that by telling the machine where and how we want the swivel - we can indirectly be more deliberate and heavy through the ball.
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This is contrary to what Yoda was saying, because his line of thought is that even though the ball is long gone at Follow Through, your Computer knows you haven't got a proper Finish Swivel, and this will adversely affect what happens during Impact and hence your ball flight.
I stand behind what Tongzilla is saying. This is about G.O.L.F, about science and not about what one man says or is able to do.
It’s about G.O.L.F. mechanics, not about people. I'm trying to learn and I don't care who’s’ picture is being used in the demonstration or what kind of golfer they are. I care only about the demonstration and I’m appreciative to all those who contribute to and maintain this website.
Since my return from Old Waverly I've been practicing Hinging and Finish Swivel by the only way I was taught and how it was demonstrated to me by all of the instructors at the seminar. I told VJ at Old Waverly that I would never be able to get it because I was just not physically capable of getting my hands and arms that far through the ball without swiveling prematurely. I play the ball opposite my left shoulder with every club. But I stuck with it for two weeks with my flashlight, dowels and the impact bag. I gave up ten times. My first visit to the short game area of the local practice facility was this morning and I planned on only using an acquired motion stroke and work only on hinging. After stretching, I aligned myself and all the clubs laid out facing the sun and visualized how far ahead my arms and hands had to be to complete the hinge motion prior to full extension. I dropped 20 balls 40 yards out and started. It was miserable. Then another 20 balls and another. A little better. I decided to keep trying. The line of sight to my hands at the end of the hinge position was about 18 inches beyond my left foot but I was swinging a little differently and it felt like one of the Edz drills I’ve been practicing for months and months and my hands were getting there and I started to hit the ball. The drill where you let your left arm fall down to the ball, the karate chop and the wheel rim. I picked up the balls and went to 80 yards. Hit every one. #3 pressure point, trace the plane line, inside aft quadrant of the ball, etc. Then I went to 150 yards and I hit every one and had 60 balls on the green. It works. The swivel after the hinge action was on automatic as was a full finish and my left wrist did not bend during the swivel. It became clear to me that the Flying Wedges are aligned from start-up throughout till the end of the hinge action and yet most of the time it felt like they were aligned throughout the whole stroke. If they lose their alignment or feel at all during the swing it isn’t until the finish swivel but then you get them back again at the finish. I went to the range and hit 10 drives seeing how far I can get my hands ahead at impact (ok, there is a limit). Every club has the same swing feeling. Wheel rim all the way through and past the ball, don’t lose the wedges, hit down hard, heavy through the ball, right forearm and shoulder on plane deep into impact (so that’s what a Pivot Stroke is), hips clear. Don’t try to hit the ball. Hit through the ball. The acceleration is so smooth. The shaft bends and vibrates. I’ve never hinged before. I have been swinging like a baseball player for thirty years and swiveling through impact. The Edz drill changed my swing and now I can hinge. I discovered how far the hands travel during the hinging motion from impact to finish swivel. And it is far. Sometimes my focus was at the end of the Hinge motion, sometimes the starting position and motion of the swivel. But more importantly, by the end of the practice session, that’s where my thoughts were focused and not impact.
That's GREAT Daryl! Sounds like you are well on your way. Keep up the good work.
If you read my post though you would know that it has nothing to do with who is in the picture. That is people trying to read that into my posts. My comment was the 1st photo in the series was called end of follow through and I say it ain't. If you watch the video you can see he reaches the end one frame earlier. And secondly, I questioned Lynn about the end of follow through being when the club is 45 degrees to the ground. He said 2-G (I, and many other authorized TGMers, say that is a drill for the student to see the different hinges). I say HOMER says 8-11.
And again I come in peace. If apologize if this is perceived as some sort of attack, nothing could be further from the truth.
Just trying to clear the fog and help people play better golf.
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