MJ - "you must line up to the right of the target and pull hook it"
are you saying a closed stance is now used? The way i follow is that the ball back produces the change in plane line.
John
Moving the ball back does not change the plane line. You just catch the ball earlier, but the low point is still in the same place, it's just further forward from the ball. It's still an on-plane clubhead path. That's different than changing the plane line to be cross-line to the target line, which is most easily done by closing the stance. This will give a clubhead PATH to the right of the target line.
Ok, so if i move the ball back in my stance without closing my stance i still can't hit a draw while hitting? The ONLY way to hit a draw while hitting via chapter 12 is to close the stance, correct? Thanks for your time MJ
Ok, so if i move the ball back in my stance without closing my stance i still can't hit a draw while hitting? The ONLY way to hit a draw while hitting via chapter 12 is to close the stance, correct? Thanks for your time MJ
John
If you close your stance, there is no need to move the ball back. Just close the clubface. You won't be hitting a true draw, but a pull hook which starts out right of the target and moves back towards the target.
The closed to closed thing really strikes a chord with me! The first instructor I ever had...waaaayyy back in the late 1960's, early 1970's, told me I had a closed to close clubface action (or something like that), and that a good model for me among big time PGA Tour pros was Leee Trevino. (I recall Trevino being described as closed to open). That was just one thing I remember. I have always felt that guy was the best instructor I have ever had.
Every other instructor since then has admonished me for having a closed clubface at address. I have squared it a bit, but find I cannot really let go on drives without losing them to the right, or pull hooking them. My best drives are long and right, as are my shots off the deck with my 12 degree 3W.
I'm going to have to work on closing the driver clubface a bit at address and see what happens (and I may as well work on closing the clubface when I put the ball back with the wedges and short irons).
The closed to closed thing really strikes a chord with me! The first instructor I ever had...waaaayyy back in the late 1960's, early 1970's, told me I had a closed to close clubface action (or something like that), and that a good model for me among big time PGA Tour pros was Leee Trevino. (I recall Trevino being described as closed to open). That was just one thing I remember. I have always felt that guy was the best instructor I have ever had.
Every other instructor since then has admonished me for having a closed clubface at address. I have squared it a bit, but find I cannot really let go on drives without losing them to the right, or pull hooking them. My best drives are long and right, as are my shots off the deck with my 12 degree 3W.
I'm going to have to work on closing the driver clubface a bit at address and see what happens (and I may as well work on closing the clubface when I put the ball back with the wedges and short irons).
I've got a copy of an instruction book Lee Buck wrote. It's now out of print. He actually advises closing the clubface at address. I would say based on what he said in his book that he played from a 10-5-B Square-Open stance. He said he intentionally took it back outside the Target Line but then his Downstroke was down the target line. He said by doing this he had the clubface looking at the target longer than anybody in golf.
Also, he played with what looks like to me a 10-2-D grip. Mr. K says with this grip "The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exacly like a paddle-wheel rotating On-Plane - no separate Rolling Motion until after Impact." This is Angled Hinging. Lee described himself as a "blocker" on his Golf Channel thing.
Check out the post that Yoda did on the Impact Bag. Look at the picture of Lee post impact. No rolling there. If you can find any swing sequences on Lee, his Backstroke is definitely to Top and not End. Watch how his Right Forearm Wedge stays solid and how his Right Shoulder is driven down plane. Check out follow through. In 1-L, "The Club starts up-and-in after "Low Point" but the thrust continues Down Plane during Follow-Through." Not many got this better than Lee Buck.
I'll have to look into that! Power accumulator #3 kicks my butt. I just can't get that wrist action to move smoothly though impact.
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Originally Posted by Frostback2005
The closed to closed thing really strikes a chord with me! The first instructor I ever had...waaaayyy back in the late 1960's, early 1970's, told me I had a closed to close clubface action (or something like that), and that a good model for me among big time PGA Tour pros was Leee Trevino. (I recall Trevino being described as closed to open). That was just one thing I remember. I have always felt that guy was the best instructor I have ever had.
Every other instructor since then has admonished me for having a closed clubface at address. I have squared it a bit, but find I cannot really let go on drives without losing them to the right, or pull hooking them. My best drives are long and right, as are my shots off the deck with my 12 degree 3W.
I'm going to have to work on closing the driver clubface a bit at address and see what happens (and I may as well work on closing the clubface when I put the ball back with the wedges and short irons).
I've got a copy of an instruction book Lee Buck wrote. It's now out of print. He actually advises closing the clubface at address. I would say based on what he said in his book that he played from a 10-5-B Square-Open stance. He said he intentionally took it back outside the Target Line but then his Downstroke was down the target line. He said by doing this he had the clubface looking at the target longer than anybody in golf.
Also, he played with what looks like to me a 10-2-D grip. Mr. K says with this grip "The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exacly like a paddle-wheel rotating On-Plane - no separate Rolling Motion until after Impact." This is Angled Hinging. Lee described himself as a "blocker" on his Golf Channel thing.
Check out the post that Yoda did on the Impact Bag. Look at the picture of Lee post impact. No rolling there. If you can find any swing sequences on Lee, his Backstroke is definitely to Top and not End. Watch how his Right Forearm Wedge stays solid and how his Right Shoulder is driven down plane. Check out follow through. In 1-L, "The Club starts up-and-in after "Low Point" but the thrust continues Down Plane during Follow-Through." Not many got this better than Lee Buck.
Yes, John, you can produce a 'natural Draw' when Hitting (or 'Manipulated Hands' Swinging) simply by playing the Ball back a bit -- provided you (1) align the Clubface Closed to the Flight Line per 2-J-1 and (2) Rotate your Grip per 7-2. You can do the same thing as a True Swinger by Rotating your Plane Line. Opposite procedures are employed to Fade the Ball.
There are not enough words to properly explain and telegraph into your brain what I've just said. Therefore, we will soon produce a video to collectively explain and demonstrate these relatively simple procedures...for the first time in the history of Golf Instruction.
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