How to Build a G.O.L.F. Game IMHO is the best instruction video I have ever seen. It is video I keep coming back to and understand more as time goes on. Incubation can be quick or can be slow depending on the student and where they are at. My improvement has been based on this video, this website and Brian,s and Chuck,s website. Like I said incubation can take time the Penny does not always drop straight away. That does not mean that the information is incorrect. Work on a flat left wrist, lag pressure and your plane and things have to improve.
How to Build a G.O.L.F. Game IMHO is the best instruction video I have ever seen. It is video I keep coming back to and understand more as time goes on. Incubation can be quick or can be slow depending on the student and where they are at. My improvement has been based on this video, this website and Brian,s and Chuck,s website. Like I said incubation can take time the Penny does not always drop straight away. That does not mean that the information is incorrect. Work on a flat left wrist, lag pressure and your plane and things have to improve.
Agree.
Any since Ben gives the student the tape of the full lesson he is after something different than most of all instructors are. This excellent concept of his supports a very extended incubation process.
It's actually good to hear that there are people who are having success with this style. Thanks for the comments in this thread. Everybody's posts were helpful.
Noproblemos,
Let's see if we can be even more helpful here. Where does the 'disconnect' seem to be between your current procedure and the ideas you are attempting to implement on the range? In other words, what is it that just doesn't seem to work for you?
As an example, one piece of Ben's instruction that is very easy to exaggerate is 'Sit and Tilt.' The purpose of the Axis (Spine) Tilt is to permit the Right Shoulder to Turn toward the Ball (remain On Plane) during the Downstroke. It is properly accomplished by Sliding the Hips to the Left while the Head remains Stationary. If, instead, the player simply leans backwards, two Snares immediately raise their ugly heads: the Bob and the Sway. Either is certain to disrupt the orbit of the Club and produce the 'disastrous' results you mention.
That seems to be the case with the student in the videos. In an effort to Tilt, he Bobs downward. Simultaneously, he Sways to the right, thereby exaggerating into a fault convention's virtue of 'Stay behind the Ball'. This lethal combination makes it impossible for him to achieve the correct Impact Hand Location, despite his valiant attempts to keep his Left Wrist Flat. Instead of a true Three-Dimensional Impact -- Downward, Outward and Forward -- his Upstroke begins well behind the Ball; he hits Up through the Ball, not Down; and the result is a helpless Scoop. In other words, his lack of Zone #1 Pivot Basic Structure (the Pivot Swing Center Tripod) is sabotaging his Zone #3 Impact Hand Alignments.
During the Address Routine, the student should locate his Head in the center of his Feet and then keep it there throughout the Stroke (at least until the end of the Follow-Through -- Both Arms Straight). With the Bob and Sway thus eliminated, the Hip Slide during the Start Down will Tilt the Axis (of the Shoulder Turn), the Right Shoulder will lead the Loaded Power Package Down Plane toward the Ball, and the Left Shoulder will return to its Impact Fix position (and thereby locate the Low Point of the Stroke well in front of the Ball). This will make the desired Impact Geometry far easier -- even possible -- to attain.
With a mental picture of the desired Impact Hands Location held throughout the Stroke, a Stationary Head properly positioned between the Feet, and a lot of drill with the Start Down Waggle -- Hip Slide (and Delayed Turn) pulling the Hands directly toward the Ball -- hitting behind the Ball rapidly becomes a thing of the past.
Yoda says: Where does the 'disconnect' seem to be between your current procedure and the ideas you are attempting to implement on the range? In other words, what is it that just doesn't seem to work for you?
Noproblemos:
First of all, before watching the Ben Doyle videos, I would like to describe how i was swinging.
I like to think of my left arm and left wrist moving down to low point opposite the outside of my left shoulder. I sometimes do this by making left hand only swings. After I am accurate with this, I add the right hand, but only if I can still make sure that my swing plane and bent right wrist can guarantee that I have that correct low point. This has been working for me for all year (less fat shots), although I’m not sure that it’s the correct way to swing the club. Any opinions on this?
With the Ben Doyle videos,
I really feel I’m holding on the club too long with my right hand. When I do the “hip action” I feel like very little time for power to get transferred to the club, since I was holding on with the right arm too long. I’m obviously doing something wrong, because isn’t it “hip action” that actually puts a lot of power in a boxer’s punch? (is this correct Hue?)
Plus, in the dowel drills, aren't we just bringing the right forearm up and down without trying to hold everything for too long?
I really feel I’m holding on the club too long with my right hand. When I do the “hip action” I feel like very little time for power to get transferred to the club, since I was holding on with the right arm too long. I’m obviously doing something wrong, because isn’t it “hip action” that actually puts a lot of power in a boxer’s punch? (is this correct Hue?)
Hip action is very important in providing support and power in the punch. I agree with 6bmike's comment
"Sounds like you were using a Sweep release and Ben is employing a snap release which needs the pivot to work a tad longer with an aiming point.
just my 2 pennies."
I think you should focus more on your left arm than your right. At the top at change of directions the left arm is welded accross the chest and the trail shoulder should work down plane . Providing the trail shoulder is driving downplane PP4 will be maintained past the ball with the left arm blasting off the chest well past impact. Brian talks about this with the drunk on the left shoulder being lifted upwards and backwards and his frizbee throw descriptions. I get the feeling this is missing in your action.
Learn to hit these little shots crisply, firmly. From a slightly Open Alignment of the entire Body (not just the Stance), position your
Do this 10,000 times -- I am not exaggerating that number -- and then let us know how it's going.
I spent all evening, yesterday, trying to implement Ben's info from his videos. It was great to consistently get the "click" sound when the face hit the ball. It was great!
one of the things that helped was the open stance.
What is the purpose of going into address with your right foot "pigeon-toed?" Is it to get this open stance?
My second question:
when the elbow is in line with the ball on the downswing (from the face on view) does the clubshaft have to be still parallel to the ground (it looks like that for Ben)? At this point, my club is already below parallel even though my right wrist is well bent.
My second question:
when the elbow is in line with the ball on the downswing (from the face on view) does the clubshaft have to be still parallel to the ground (it looks like that for Ben)? At this point, my club is already below parallel even though my right wrist is well bent.[/quote]
no it doesnt have to be it depends on your release, sequenced or simetaneous. look at pictures of jack and tom watson both of them lose the angle earlier than ben or hogan, sergio. also the right wrist has nothing to do with that, the right wrist should stay bent all the way to the follow through( in a perfect world), the left wrist can unhinge on its own while the right stays bent .
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