Here is another way to look at things, which should be read in conjunction with MikeO's well explained post.
Angled Hinging produces a clubface motion which goes from closed to open relative to the plane or clubhead line of flight (hence the slicing tendency), even though the clubface goes from open to closed relative to the target line.
One way to show this is if you take a club about two feet back using Angled Hinging (no roll feel), and then move your arms and club together as one unit to a horizontal plane (e.g. table) without disrupting any alignments, the clubface is closed.
Now take the club about two feet through the ball using Angled Hinging, and move your arms and club to the horizontal plane again without disrupting any alignments, the clubface is opened.
Note that the clubface closes at a slower rate compared with Horizontal Hinging. The center around which the clubface rotates around is different to that of the clubhead.
Tongzilla,
It took me a second read as I needed to walk through your suggested procedure. But after initially being a little confused, I'd have to say, very nice follow-up post- I'm printing that one off for my archives! And I might add that Mr. Kelley was truly an amazing man to see all of this stuff!
Mike O.
In 7-3 Homer says that the on plane Right Forearm shows the precise (add "up and down" here) direction it and the clubshaft must take throughout the stroke.
now I know that per 1-L-5 The clubshaft lays full length on a flat tilted plane. So my question is when we turn our hand so that the palm is touching the plane won't the whole right wedge come off and the right forearm go below the inclined plane due to the impact fix degree of bend in the right wrist?
You're correct. The problem you're having is with his writing style. Of course the forearm comes off plane in the backswing. Here are two possible corrections that I would use.
1) change "it" to "hands"
2) change "throughout the stroke" to "initially going back and then again immediately before and through impact".
Note that the clubface closes at a slower rate compared with Horizontal Hinging. The center around which the clubface rotates around is different to that of the clubhead.
Exactly. It is not 'uncentered' is has a different center than Homer recognized.
Mike O - would you agree with the concept that the clubFACE center of rotation moves from left shoulder - horizontal, swing center - angled, right shoulder - verticle.
The clubHEAD center of motion remains the same for each
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Sweetspot Around the Hosel or Vice Versa (Visually)
I vaguely remember this subject from about a year or so ago. Not sure if it was on the old THEGOLFINGMACHINE forum or Chuck's, or Brian's or here but...
If you hold the grip end of the club with your thumb and index finger and let the shaft hang down vertically, rotate/turn the club, the clubhead will initially appear to wobble around but you can see the clubshaft/hosel move around in a circle. I believe the center of that circle is the sweetspot.
Note that the clubface closes at a slower rate compared with Horizontal Hinging. The center around which the clubface rotates around is different to that of the clubhead.
Exactly. It is not 'uncentered' is has a different center than Homer recognized.
Mike O - would you agree with the concept that the clubFACE center of rotation moves from left shoulder - horizontal, swing center - angled, right shoulder - verticle.
The clubHEAD center of motion remains the same for each
Ed,
1) Clubface motion has different center than clubhead - for angled / vertical hinging- AGREE
2) The Clubhead center is usually the left shoulder unless a right arm swing then the center would be the right elbow.
3) Regarding Clubhead center for horizontal hinging being the left shoulder
Clubhead center for angled hinging being the head or base of the neck, and clubhead center right shoulder for vertical hinging. I would say that Homer Kelley didn't see it that way, but you may see it or have a theory regarding that - but you'd have to clarify it.
Ok Mathew- three questions - three answers, how are we doing? Clarifications?
Unfortunately I am on my work nights and I will need to spend a little time with the thread, so will be busy over the next two days. But I promise to give this thread my full attention on Monday....
Note that the clubface closes at a slower rate compared with Horizontal Hinging. The center around which the clubface rotates around is different to that of the clubhead.
Exactly. It is not 'uncentered' is has a different center than Homer recognized.
1) Clubface motion has different center than clubhead - for angled / vertical hinging- AGREE
Angled Hinging does not have a 'different' center for the clubface motion...It has no center.
Horizontal and Vertical Hinging are centered motions, with both Clubhead and Clubface revolving around the same Hinge Pin.
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