Homers notes

[drewitgolf]

Originally Posted by drewitgolf

I have studied the notes many times; great stuff.... Homer quote from the notes, "The amount of Hip Slide is dependent on swing plane. The flatter the plane the more pronounced the slide is. The more upright the plane the more subtle the slide". If using the Turned Shoulder plane for example, the amount of slide (axis tilt) is to put the right shoulder on that plane. I am not sure where Mr. Kelley was going with the quote above in this regard. My Incubator never spit that one into the Computer.

Hogan- Flat ..massive hip slide

Els- upright..small bump of hips

Yoda wrote:
The purpose of Axis Tilt is to allow the Shoulder to Turn On Plane toward the Ball. The steeper the Inclined Plane of Motion, the more Axis Tilt you need.
Question:
How much Axis Tilt is necessary when you are swinging on a near-Horizonal Plane, i.e., off your Knees?

Comments?

[6bmike]

I don't know about knees. You can swing with zero hip motion under some kind of condition.

I do notice the difference in hip action with a Hogan flat swing and an upright Els type swing.

Isn't that the difference Homer spoke of?

mike

[drewitgolf]

I don't know about knees. You can swing with zero hip motion under some kind of condition.

I do notice the difference in hip action with a Hogan flat swing and an upright Els type swing.

Isn't that the difference Homer spoke of?

mike

Not sure Mike. That is why that Homer quote never made it out of the Incubator.

Maybe the quote is wrong?

Drew

[O.B.Left]

I have studied the notes many times; great stuff....

Homer quote from the notes, "The amount of Hip Slide is dependent on swing plane. The flatter the plane the more pronounced the slide is. The more upright the plane the more subtle the slide".

If using the Turned Shoulder plane for example, the amount of slide (axis tilt) is to put the right shoulder on that plane. I am not sure where Mr. Kelley was going with the quote above in this regard. My Incubator never spit that one into the Computer.

Drewit , anybody

Was this ever resolved? Why more hip slide for a flatter plane? I would have guessed the other way around given the 1970's swings of yesteryear. Johnny Miller for example.

ob

[Quintin van der Berg]

Steeper planes more hip slide and shallower planes less, that is correct!

[Thom]

I remember Brian Manzella explained this years ago at his forum, but I really don't recall the explaination. It's been a while since I went there so I wouldn't know if it's still there? I really don't know if there's still a forum alive, but I guess there is...

Can it have anything to do with the earlier release point and the corresponding aiming point being before the ball with the driver??

Green Machine...come in please

[12 piece bucket]

Drewit , anybody

Was this ever resolved? Why more hip slide for a flatter plane? I would have guessed the other way around given the 1970's swings of yesteryear. Johnny Miller for example.

ob

I would agree with you on the other way around. If your hands are "high" and not deep and you turn . . . they are going to fly out over the plane faster because the have less "out" to cover before they are "over" the plane.

[O.B.Left]

I would agree with you on the other way around. If your hands are "high" and not deep and you turn . . . they are going to fly out over the plane faster because the have less "out" to cover before they are "over" the plane.

Nice one. I was going with my gut and a perceived 50/50 chance,which is high for me, but that is a good explanation. Im guessing its a typo then maybe? Easy to do when transcribing Homer unless you are very Homer like yourself.

Makes me wonder about the Jim Hardy left arm along the shoulder line thing and its possible explanation in TGM terms. Although IMHO the cart is in front of the horse on that one. Not to open a can of worms or anything. Disregard. Abort. Disengage.

Love the notes.

ob

[dkerby]

Back in 2004, I presented the hip slide question to Chuck Evans
on his then website: "In your ebook, you state "THE Higher the
hands at the top of the swing (above the right shoulder) the MORE
pronounced the hip slide. The LOWER the hands (at/or below
shoulder height the less hip slide." Homer notes say the amout
of Hip Slide is dependent on swing plane. The flatter the plane the
more PONOUNCED the the slide is. The more upright the plane the
more subtle the slide. Please comment on the difference.

Chuck said, " I posted on this in another thread. If the hands are
above shoulder height, then they MUST get back to shoulder
height BEFORE they can trace the Delivery line...thus more hip
slide. But NEVER overdo this hip slide...It's only about two inches.

I guess that Chuck thinks in terms of how high the hands go, rather
than Flat/Upright. Hitters seem more upright but the hands do not
go above shoulder height. Swingers can go to the end with a flatter
swing. From what I read, the downswing starts from shoulder
height and then Homer's note comes into play.

[drewitgolf]

Mis-Statement?
Mis-Interpret?
Mis-Quote?
Mis-Print?

Never resolved. Two seperate Zones of Motion, but simultaneous and synchronous.