How can I get the right forearm on plane at impact without it being an elbow plane at that time?
Swing on the TSP. If the Elbow and #3 PP are on plane, then the Right Forearm is on plane.
What plane are we on at follow through?
The Same as the one used for Impact.
Is the "plane" we are on only defined where we start down from? Is it the one we shift to? Is it definable after release? If I shift planes am I just moving to a new "top" position? Like "Happy Gilmore"?
The Impact Plane is where you should focus. What is the Angle of Inclination of the Golf Clubs Sweet-spot at Impact? Try to maintain the same Angle throughout the Swing.
When #4 has the left arm on the chest and I use axis tilt won't I launch my inert left arm into center field?
If the #4 Pressure is on Plane then the #3 Pressure Point will be Launched On Plane.
Are there some alignments and transitions that go beyond definition?
No. No mystery.
Is there always some wobble and throw away because we are dealing with wrists and elbows and shoulders that have limitations?
No. EA eliminates wobble and there is no Throw-away with EA.
And we have strict "rules" for their alignment at all times?
Yes.
Does 1-L have both a primary and secondary lever assembly? If the primary lever assembly is maintained on plane can the secondary lever asembly be applied?
The Primary Lever is the Left Arm and Clubshaft combined. The Secondary Lever is the Clubshaft.
Can it also maintain the shaft on plane?
Yes.
Can the left shoulder ever be "on plane"?
Yes.
These thoughts can drive one crazy? Or do they have answers?
But isn't the TSP defined as a flat back turn? Can't the TSP also be the elbow plane at impact? Then there would be no shift? I can't control both the right shoulder on plane and the left shoulder "plane" so don't we take what we get Re: the left shoulder? Doesn't #4 "slide" down the left side before release? Isn't it just the "right" triangle that lays on the plane. (3 points- right shoulder, #3 pp, sweet spot- form triangle)? Doesn't the left triangle roll or swivel to vertical to the plane through impact? Isn't this mainly a pivot thing? The game is played in front of the torso between the shoulders? Dont the hands practice this so they can direct the moving parts? And, Every time I experiment I have a whole new rhythm thing to get back to? I think my aiming point is not on any imperative line but on its own delivery line that is near the outside of my left toe? Does that sound right?
I can't control both the right shoulder on plane and the left shoulder "plane" so don't we take what we get Re: the left shoulder? Doesn't #4 "slide" down the left side before release?
No. No. and No.
Isn't it just the "right" triangle that lays on the plane. (3 points- right shoulder, #3 pp, sweet spot- form triangle)?
#3 PP, Right Shoulder and the Sweet-Spot of the Clubhead.
Doesn't the left triangle roll or swivel to vertical to the plane through impact?
The Left Wrist should be Level and Vertical.
Isn't this mainly a pivot thing? The game is played in front of the torso between the shoulders? Dont the hands practice this so they can direct the moving parts? And, Every time I experiment I have a whole new rhythm thing to get back to? I think my aiming point is not on any imperative line but on its own delivery line that is near the outside of my left toe? Does that sound right?[/quote]
You're on the Elbow Plane.
Why would you pull the Club and #3 PP straight Down toward the ground from the Top of the Swing, when the Ball is Located on the Plane Line?
Why would you Shift Planes when you don't have to?
I can't control both the right shoulder on plane and the left shoulder "plane" so don't we take what we get Re: the left shoulder? Doesn't #4 "slide" down the left side before release?
No. No. and No.
Looking at mine that is what I do.
Isn't it just the "right" triangle that lays on the plane. (3 points- right shoulder, #3 pp, sweet spot- form triangle)?
#3 PP, Right Shoulder and the Sweet-Spot of the Clubhead.
Doesn't the left triangle roll or swivel to vertical to the plane through impact?
The Left Wrist should be Level and Vertical.
And the wrist fixes the flat side of the triangle??
Isn't this mainly a pivot thing? The game is played in front of the torso between the shoulders? Dont the hands practice this so they can direct the moving parts? And, Every time I experiment I have a whole new rhythm thing to get back to? I think my aiming point is not on any imperative line but on its own delivery line that is near the outside of my left toe? Does that sound right?[/quote]
You're on the Elbow Plane.
At impact, I believe so
Originally Posted by Daryl
Why would you pull the Club and #3 PP straight Down toward the ground from the Top of the Swing, when the Ball is Located on the Plane Line?
Why would you Shift Planes when you don't have to?
I don't. but because the left shoulder moves UP as the right goes DOWN the left wrist is in a level (cocked, level, uncocked) and vertical to the plane at impact.
I try not to. I think that is a optical illusion due to the right forearm pitched out ahead of the right shoulder as it chases down plane.
Is there same good example(s) of only TSP swingers/hitters?
Is there some good example(s) of only elbow plane swingers?
The broblem(s) is/are that:
#3 accumulator is less than adequate with pure TSP, If a swinger releases #4 before impact power package lag goes away, intentional plane shifts become an uncoordinated "gobbeltygook". Three imperatives- the ponderance of not only how to acomplish them but ALSO the consequences, both good and bad, of their succssful/uncessful execution.
Last edited by HungryBear : 07-06-2010 at 08:33 AM.
Watching video there appears to be two ways players plane shift. Drop the hands from the TSP to the Elbow plane (Homer Kelley TGM book Plane shift). Drop the head/torso but still swing on the TSP plane Tiger style plane shift swing from several years ago.
Anyone else agree?
Watching video there appears to be two ways players plane shift. Drop the hands from the TSP to the Elbow plane (Homer Kelley TGM book Plane shift). Drop the head/torso but still swing on the TSP plane Tiger style plane shift swing from several years ago.
Anyone else agree?
I believe there are many ways to plane shift. Some require many compensations, but they are all valid. See Mr. Furyk. I enjoy striving towards the minimal shift of Mr. Gay.
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Watching video there appears to be two ways players plane shift. Drop the hands from the TSP to the Elbow plane (Homer Kelley TGM book Plane shift). Drop the head/torso but still swing on the TSP plane Tiger style plane shift swing from several years ago.
Anyone else agree?
Players like Camilo Villegas such as Byron Nelson and some Tiger Woods, Drop their Posture to the Elbow Plane to avoid the "Vertical Drop" typical of the Hogan Style Elbow Plane. This is Hands Controlled Pivot on the Elbow Plane. These Players are completely aware of their Lag Pressure and want to drive it "Straight to the Ball" and avoid the typical Plane Shift.
Thanks for the Video of Camilo Villegas HungryBear, he has awesome physical ability.
Yes, but Vegas has the elbow as close to his hip as he can @ impact. So this is not an "upper body TSP motion" on the EP.
A note about Tiger: He moves his neck down and up again, but he keeps his hips more level than most throughout the swing. The alternative is to keep the neck level and move the hips up and down and up.
When you think about where the swing center is (where the sweet spot plane meets the torso), it may not as bobby as by first sight to move the head and keep the hips level.
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