1. Is the pivot actually slowing down? it does seem to. However, my hips still lead throughout the sroke even though during this apparent slowing-down, my arms are speading up.
2. Is the component we are talking about the "Sholder throw trigger" vs the "wrist throw"?
3. As both of you talk about these movements, I can feel them because this is what I do when I try to accentuate the #4 accumulator. The idea I have is to start down, then slow the hips (the right shoulder stays down and on plane), then energy seems to transfer from the torso to the arms. The arms speed up fast. It almost feels like I'm standing still when the ball is struck.
4. This is not my normal pattern. Normally, the right shoulder moves down and out all the way to impact.
1. Yes, eventually and I prefer it happens as late as possible. In terms of the arms, I intentionally keep them (accumulator lag) synchronized with the pivot (pivot lag), at least beyond impact.
2. I don't intentionally "throw" anything, but sustain the lag by "pulling/dragging" the club for "swinging" and "bending/stiffening" the shaft for "hitting" with the hands.
3. It's definitely an option, but sound like a "throwaway" of the power accumulator. Feels pretty fast, yet the lag and thrust are gone. "Timing" is also involved here.
4. My pivot and shoulders move all the way to the finish.
__________________ Yani Tseng, Go! Go! Go! Yani Tseng Did It Again! YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn. Bend the shaft.
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Thank you for your response. I've been studying this for some time. I agree with response #1 & 2 as this is my normal pattern for swinging too. However, the throw is from the wrists in this case. Nothing is actually thrown. The secondary lever assembly begins to accel. to impact. (i did'nt explain that very well).
#3, this is a point of confusion.
I may be confusing something here. If we let the pivot transport the power package into the release area (which we do), keeping the hands and club lagging, the I don't think that the #4 accumulator is being fully used. If we increase the spacing in a more sequenced release, then accumulators will be felt more like 4,2,3. With greater emphasis on #4. The #4 accumulator is more fully employed. It (#4) steals momentum from the pivot and begins moving the primary lever assembly. (the pivot actually feels like it transfered momentum to the left arm). The confusion for me is that now we seemingly have 2throws in one stoke pattern. Shoulder and wrist. It feels very powerfull and sounds dead perfect on the ball. I think that this procedure uses (is) a right arm swing but I'm not pulling with the right arm. I'm not sure though. The ball does travel about 5 yards more, and there seems to be a greater left hand/clubface contol feeling. The acuracy is better too. I think this is a result of the pivot slowing down thus giving the hands more time to conrol the pivot. I can also determine/contol when the left starts to come off the body. I can hold it untill just before release or from just after the initial hip accelleration. This is different from what you and I have as a standard pattern. Concerning your answer #4, mine do too.
However, and this is the big one...it works just as well with chipping and short pitches. Hmm... i've been working with right arm only chipping which is why I think it is more of a right arm swing. I'll keep reading and studying.
The combinations of Trigger types are listed in 11-20.....What's interesting is how these combinations evolved/changed throughout the first six editions....so I can't wait to get the 7th
The combinations of Trigger types are listed in 11-20.....What's interesting is how these combinations evolved/changed throughout the first six editions....so I can't wait to get the 7th
Annikan, 11-20 only shows the most common Trigger Type combinations.
The answer to your question is yes, bearing in mind that, here, the Delivery Path Throw is triggered at the bottom of the short arc (as opposed to the long arc in a Sweep Release).
Please refer to (2) in post #15 of this thread.
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Last edited by tongzilla : 03-14-2006 at 01:32 PM.
I experimented a little at the indoor range today. The shoulder throw does seem better, though not as simple. When the wrist throw occurs late in the swing it seems to blur the #2 and #3...more swivel. A little earlier and less blur. I hope i'm not traveling on the wrong path here by experimenting.
One of the nice things which occurs, is that the horizontal hinge action is more definite..deliberate,, and even with a week grip, the ball doesn't fade the slightest, which I think shows me that the slowing of the pivot doesn't mean that they aren't fully turning through. Hmm..Strong single action grip with standard wrist action has a slightly lower trajectory. Weak single action seems more true and it has no bad effects on the deiberate horizontal hinge, i.e. good roll feeling.
However, as I said earlier, the shoulder throw is a bit tweekier, i.e. not as much room for error.
Annikan, 11-20 only shows the most common Trigger Type combinations.
The answer to your question is yes, bearing in mind that, here, the Delivery Path Throw is triggered at the bottom of the short arc (as opposed to the long arc in a Sweep Release).
Please refer to (2) in post #15 of this thread.
Tong...lets keep this thread..."throwing" or get another started!!!! Cheeseburger, cheese fries and Cherry Coke...
I experimented a little at the indoor range today. The shoulder throw does seem better, though not as simple. When the wrist throw occurs late in the swing it seems to blur the #2 and #3...more swivel. A little earlier and less blur. I hope i'm not traveling on the wrong path here by experimenting.
One of the nice things which occurs, is that the horizontal hinge action is more definite..deliberate,, and even with a week grip, the ball doesn't fade the slightest, which I think shows me that the slowing of the pivot doesn't mean that they aren't fully turning through. Hmm..Strong single action grip with standard wrist action has a slightly lower trajectory. Weak single action seems more true and it has no bad effects on the deiberate horizontal hinge, i.e. good roll feeling.
However, as I said earlier, the shoulder throw is a bit tweekier, i.e. not as much room for error.
BTS
Thank you for your response. I've been studying this for some time. I agree with response #1 & 2 as this is my normal pattern for swinging too. However, the throw is from the wrists in this case. Nothing is actually thrown. The secondary lever assembly begins to accel. to impact. (i did'nt explain that very well).
#3, this is a point of confusion.
I may be confusing something here. If we let the pivot transport the power package into the release area (which we do), keeping the hands and club lagging, the I don't think that the #4 accumulator is being fully used. If we increase the spacing in a more sequenced release, then accumulators will be felt more like 4,2,3. With greater emphasis on #4. The #4 accumulator is more fully employed. It (#4) steals momentum from the pivot and begins moving the primary lever assembly. (the pivot actually feels like it transfered momentum to the left arm). The confusion for me is that now we seemingly have 2throws in one stoke pattern. Shoulder and wrist. It feels very powerfull and sounds dead perfect on the ball. I think that this procedure uses (is) a right arm swing but I'm not pulling with the right arm. I'm not sure though. The ball does travel about 5 yards more, and there seems to be a greater left hand/clubface contol feeling. The acuracy is better too. I think this is a result of the pivot slowing down thus giving the hands more time to conrol the pivot. I can also determine/contol when the left starts to come off the body. I can hold it untill just before release or from just after the initial hip accelleration. This is different from what you and I have as a standard pattern. Concerning your answer #4, mine do too.
However, and this is the big one...it works just as well with chipping and short pitches. Hmm... i've been working with right arm only chipping which is why I think it is more of a right arm swing. I'll keep reading and studying.
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