How do you determine what angle to put the plane on? Would it be the same for every golfer?
One of you mentioned building a full size plane board. Does the clubhead or shaft stay on this plane throughout the swing?
Here's a question I asked in the Drills and Training aids thread. I have a SAM 2000 swing trainer that is a large circle of PVC pipe mounted on a frame. I didn't like it when I first tried it for full swings. I felt too vertical at the top.
Would that be good for use as, or substitution for a plane board?
Great Imaging and Visual Directions for construction of a Plane Board....After constructing several plane boards, both with wood and plastic....the wood is excellent especially if painted with an exterior paint or weather proofing....The Plane board that you have constructed demonstrates a "half of a Plane board which works great for most and is fairly easy to transport...As a matter of fact at Pine Needles, we used Bag stands rotated around backwards as supports rather than building leg supports...however, if you want to have a "cool" plane board go for it all....with the legs and the hinges...a "Full Monty". A full size plane board... just double the face of the plane and then use 8 ft 2x4's to frame it and as support legs to hold it up ....I recommend Doubling the frame for a full size due to eay warping of the face of the plane. I would recommend a Full size for a permanent location.
$.02,
Annikan
Annikan,
I just realized what you were talking about. I guess I've never seen a full plane board. When you said half, I just assumed you were talking about the backswing 1/2. I now assume that you are talking about extending it up, so as to have a plane board all the way to the top of the backswing. That would be way cool. I'll have to think about this.
The problem with all this is that the shaft (or more exactly the sweetspot line) doesn't move on the same plane in the BS and DS in any effective golf swing I've ever seen. In fact on the BS, the shaft traces out a curved surface. A look at the latest edition of Golf Magazine's sequence of Ken Perry will show you that even in the some DOWNSWINGS, the shaft traces a curved surface.
Better to put lasers out the butt of the shaft and pointing from #3 PP to the plane line just in front of the leading edge of the clubface. This, at least, allows a diferent "plane" for the BS than the DS.
The Heat,
"Full" Plane boards are great for a reference, ...but remember the Plane Angle Shifts(rotates up and down from its baseline). It's greatest use ...The Reference or Guide Line for all of our components...Why?...2-F Every component must comply....
The problem with all this is that the shaft (or more exactly the sweetspot line) doesn't move on the same plane in the BS and DS in any effective golf swing I've ever seen. In fact on the BS, the shaft traces out a curved surface. A look at the latest edition of Golf Magazine's sequence of Ken Perry will show you that even in the some DOWNSWINGS, the shaft traces a curved surface.
Better to put lasers out the butt of the shaft and pointing from #3 PP to the plane line just in front of the leading edge of the clubface. This, at least, allows a diferent "plane" for the BS than the DS.
Your observation would seem to be accurate if the reference point is the PGA Tour. However, the variation selected for component 6/7 in 12-1-0 and 12-2-0 and the accompanying photos in 10-13-B,D conveys to me the intent of a single plane. This is an area I continue to struggle with. I had though the answer might be with the sweet spot but that is not clear. I will continue to lister!
...but remember the Plane Angle Shifts(rotates up and down from its baseline)....Annikan
Huh?...How does the above fit with 2-F's:
"All the action of the Golf Club takes place on a flat, inflexible, Inclined Plane which extends well beyond the circumfrence of the stroke-in every direction. The full length of the Club shaft remains unwaveringly on the face of this Inclined Plane--Waggle to Follow-through."
...now that "SAM 2000" thing seems to go with the above perfectly as well as the geometry of the circle...
...but remember the Plane Angle Shifts(rotates up and down from its baseline)....Annikan
Huh?...How does the above fit with 2-F's:
"All the action of the Golf Club takes place on a flat, inflexible, Inclined Plane which extends well beyond the circumfrence of the stroke-in every direction. The full length of the Club shaft remains unwaveringly on the face of this Inclined Plane--Waggle to Follow-through."
...now that "SAM 2000" thing seems to go with the above perfectly as well as the geometry of the circle...
-hcw
Per 10-7, although the Base of the Inclined Plane stays in place, the angle of the Inclined Plane can change ("Shift") during the swing, just like when you open and close the cover of a book that is laying flat on a table. In fact, the Plane Angle can Shift a number of times during the swing. Whether the Plane Angle shifts or not, the Inclined Plane remains flat and inflexible.
ok, i see what you're saying...but then what is "inflexible"?
-hcw
ps-i know what inlexible means , my question is what about the Inclined Plane is inflexible?
The Heat,
"Full" Plane boards are great for a reference, ...but remember the Plane Angle Shifts(rotates up and down from its baseline). It's greatest use ...The Reference or Guide Line for all of our components...Why?...2-F Every component must comply....
Another $.02 that makes $.04
Annikan
Is this what you mean, that the club shifts to a steeper plane angle based upon the same plane line? Notice in the pic that the right elbow is still on the plane. I am having trouble reconciling this with the idea of down and then down and out vs. down along the plane.
It seems to me that the right elbow stays on plane, and the club and right forearm get back on plane by the extensor action putting them there. I am not sure how this squares with PP3 going straight back to the ball. I think I need some fog cleared here for sure.
This is why I wanted to build the plane board. To keep my right elbow on plane at the top, and to make sure I'm getting right back to the plane. But what should the first move from the top be? I guess what I'm really struggling with is the concept of keeping the right forearm on plane, and if it does go to steeper plane angle the concept of getting it back on the original plane.
, my question is what about the Inclined Plane is inflexible?
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