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Old 06-14-2006, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mathew
No, I did not elaborate, I just didn't want to write a thesis on the matter. Where you got the 'I'm just agreeing with Homer Kelley because he made the changes' like im a Homer drone with no brain...I do not know. Anyways, it is obvious that there are issues with hinge action on both clubhead control (angular motion) and the clubface control. Every procedure drives the primary lever assembly by creating a pressure against it which will naturally create a hinge action. Pivot driving the left arm - dual horizontal, Right forearm driving the left arm - angled... The difference right arm participation.... arms lane....

Its not to say that it doesn't belong in zone 3 either because the clubface motion through the ball is important...but there is a case for it being in zone 2. It is a grey area that Homer Kelley must of weighed up and this time chosen to be placed in zone 2.
Mathew, I am not singling you out here! Sorry if my post sounded disparaging. Right Arm Thrust does indeed give a tendency towards Angle Hinging. However, one should be able to perform all three Hinge Actions with either Hitting or Swinging -- this is what Master's level of execution is about (3-F-6).
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Old 06-17-2006, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike O
A lot of good thoughts here:
Leo, absolutely a big change- and nice job questioning the reasons behind it- it deserves that kind of questioning.

I also think that Lynn was correct in explaining why the change was made- and I do think that Homer was telling you the rationale for changing it as quoted.

You might think of it like this- as noted in the 6th edition 2-G. The Geometry of hinging is clubface control- The Physics of Hinging is that Hinge Action is the result of the turning torso or orbiting arms. So he's given Physics the nod over the Geometry in regards to it's categorization in Zone#2 as opposed to the 6th edition in Zone #3. Why?

It's been 24 years since I learned of the coming change of Hinge Action from Zone#3 to #2. And I had the feeling of - "What - how could he do that!!!"- because it does really create a mental shuffle for you and everything that you've learned. I asked "Why would he do that?" And the answer that I got was "You see- everybody thinks that hinge action is something you do with your hands- and IT'S NOT!" Hence, the categorization change to move it into a category that better categorizes the component in relation to the procedural nature of the movement.

As far as the integration of concepts in the book for clarity- that's been a problem from day one. And as Lynn points out - continues to be a major flaw that doesn't help anyone. Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda in the 7th edition, but there was no way- that was going to be Mr. Kelley's 7th edition and no one elses. Those changes are needed but would have to be in the 8th edition- and if the 7th took about 24 years to publish then I guess the 8th could take over 100 years to publish.

I do agree with you.
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Old 09-08-2006, 01:47 PM
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There has been some time between posts on this thread so forgive my tardiness in entering the debate. Something that has struck me very interesting about the 7th edition is where Homer makes references to a nexus between clubhead and cluface control. In 6-F-1 Right Timing is presented as not just clubhead but also clubface control, Rhythm producing maximum compression. For me, this cured my apprehensions about the implications to the 3 functions mentioned earlier in this debate...
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