In Pivot Strokes, the Re-Tracing Hands are powered by the Pivot. This is the Centrifugal Downstroke Sequence of 6-M-1; the Pivot Stroke Delivery of 6-K-0; and the Body Power of 2-M-4. There can be no Re-Tracing in the Downstroke until the Left Arm moves, and the Left Arm -- #4 Accumulator Radius Power -- is driven by Right Shoulder Turn Thrust (6-B-4-A).
The Start Down is the period of Shoulder Acceleration (8-7) as led by the Hips (7-15) and their "Instant" Acceleration (10-19-C). The Downstroke is the period of Hand Acceleration (8-8 ).
Originally Posted by Weightshift
I gave a simplified description and chose not to mention the weight transfer as ideally the weight transfer occurs as the backswing ends and should be over before drag loading occurs (IMO).
Originally Posted by Yoda
The Weight Shift is the Hip Turn (7-14). Specifically, its Slide Component.
Not only do I know that, but I also understand it and execute it. This past month has been fun learning. Drag the Wet Mop, even from the Top. It finally sunk in. That's just how it feels. Pulling with your Core. I had to change almost everything. It is so repeatable on the Range and Golf Course, every time and Golf is so much more fun now. So much easier. I look forward to Practice and Play.
I can't imagine how hard it is to teach Golf but I know how hard it is to learn. Like Phil M. Said: "How can I be so Stupid?".
If I only knew then what I know now. Thanks again Yoda, Ted and VJ.
The Start Down is the period of Shoulder Acceleration (8-7) as led by the Hips (7-15) and their "Instant" Acceleration (10-19-C). The Downstroke is the period of Hand Acceleration (8-8 ).
And Release (8-9) is the period of Clubhead Acceleration (and constant Hand speed).
You have referenced 6-H-0, the stated "curriculum" for Educated Hands (Hitting and Swinging). By definition, there are no Pivot Components listed. In fact, in earlier editions of TGM, 6-H-0 was specifically described as "Hand Action Imperatives" instead of the Educated Hands "curriculum" approach later adopted. Those early editions (through the third) gave three Hand Imperatives (not to be confused with the Three Imperatives later designated in 2-0). Those three Hand Imperatives were listed as three "Avoids": Slowing the Hands (Quitting); Swinging from the wrist; and unintentional change in Lag Pressure. When the curriculum was expanded in the fourth edition, the three 'avoids' became Items A, D and C respectively, and a new Snap Release item was added as 'B'. Also, the curriculum now differentiated between Hitting and Swinging (originally six items and later, in the fifth edition, ten) as dictated by the selected Lag Loading procedure.
In Pivot Strokes, the Re-Tracing Hands are powered by the Pivot. This is the Centrifugal Downstroke Sequence of 6-M-1; the Pivot Stroke Delivery of 6-K-0; and the Body Power of 2-M-4. There can be no Re-Tracing in the Downstroke until the Left Arm moves, and the Left Arm -- #4 Accumulator Radius Power -- is driven by Right Shoulder Turn Thrust (6-B-4-A).
The Start Down is the period of Shoulder Acceleration (8-7) as led by the Hips (7-15) and their "Instant" Acceleration (10-19-C). The Downstroke is the period of Hand Acceleration (8-8 ).
The Weight Shift is the Hip Turn (7-14). Specifically, its Slide Component.
You have to understand where I'm coming from. I'm not starting from scratch but slowly amending by swing with TGM concepts. For me, there has always been two pivots in the golf swing bridged by the weight shift. In earlier times I had a terrible time with balance and it was not until I allowed both pivots to be largely passive and supportive of the golf swing, was I able to play a reasonable game. Hopefully, in time I will be more in tune with more of TGM, although as helpful as these forums are, I really need some one-on-one sessions with a TGM AI. [I'll be absent for the next two days -- playing golf]
You have to understand where I'm coming from. I'm not starting from scratch but slowly amending by swing with TGM concepts. For me, there has always been two pivots in the golf swing bridged by the weight shift.
This is the Slide with a Delayed Turn (10-14-B). Don't overdo the Slide; it should be just enough to shift the Weight -- in both directions. Balance, as always, is achieved through the correct Pivot, i.e., holding the center of gravity of the Body between the Feet while keeping the Head Stationary.
Just saw the video. Another one with an iron shot would be nice. I couldn't stop your video and do a frame by frame - can someone tell me how to do that or if maybe the software/site your using doesn't allow it?
Did notice that after impact with the clubshaft parallel to the ground you're in a bad location- the sign of hitting up or holding the clubface square to the target- maybe both. Would be great to see a full 6 iron and then maybe a chip shot with a Pitching Wedge.
This is the Slide with a Delayed Turn (10-14-B). Don't overdo the Slide; it should be just enough to shift the Weight -- in both directions. Balance, as always, is achieved through the correct Pivot, i.e., holding the center of gravity of the Body between the Feet while keeping the Head Stationary.
I have a problem with the TGM classifications in that none describes, as far as I can see, any resemblance to what I consider a "good downswing technique". With one's back to the target, at the top ("End" in TGM jargon) the worst possible thing one can do is to start moving the shoulders back to the ball before (1) the slide of the hips back is underway(**), and (2) the hands have reached waist high or thereabouts. Moving the shoulders first, even a fraction, leads to an over-the-top move. (** Actually, the slide of the hips back should start before the backswing completes.)
This is the Slide with a Delayed Turn (10-14-B). Don't overdo the Slide; it should be just enough to shift the Weight -- in both directions.
One other thing
It's impossible to overdo the Slide, so long as you're playing between the insides of the feet (I'm told that Ken Venturi had specially made golf shoes which were higher on the outside edges. God knows what they were like to walk with though.) and the knees point slightly inwards. In the backswing, when the hips can move no further to the right, they start to turn -- in fact this is what causes them to turn. Similiarly at the end of the backswing / start of forward swing, the hip slide to the left causes the left hip to turn when it can slide to the left no more. There should be do conscious thought of turning the hips, in either direction.
Of course it's possible to overdo the Slide if one is not playing from the insides of the feet, in fact it's almost guaranteed.
I have a problem with the TGM classifications in that none describes, as far as I can see, any resemblance to what I consider a "good downswing technique". With one's back to the target, at the top ("End" in TGM jargon) the worst possible thing one can do is to start moving the shoulders back to the ball before (1) the slide of the hips back is underway(**), and (2) the hands have reached waist high or thereabouts. Moving the shoulders first, even a fraction, leads to an over-the-top move. (** Actually, the slide of the hips back should start before the backswing completes.)
I seem to be talking to myself The Tomasello videos appear to support my hypothesis. In Alignments (up, down, in, out, backward, forward) he clearly says that having reached the Top, people want to go Forward, and in doing so, will create the OTT move, whereas they should be going Down and Out, these two 'vectors' together producing the Forward motion of the ball.
As these moves are so important, dare I say it: to all golf swings, why isn't it spelled out in the Book (6th Edition is still my reference)? The only reference I can find is..
12-5-0 BASIC REQUIREMENTS Use a slow, smooth motion up-and-back, down-and-out and up-and-in the same distance in both directions and as continuously as possible.
..however shouldn't "up-and-back" be "in-up-back", and "up-and-in" be "forward-up-in" i.e. three dimensions instead of two? We are going through the ball position in both directions, aren't we?
It's impossible to overdo the Slide, so long as you're playing between the insides of the feet (I'm told that Ken Venturi had specially made golf shoes which were higher on the outside edges. God knows what they were like to walk with though.) and the knees point slightly inwards. In the backswing, when the hips can move no further to the right, they start to turn -- in fact this is what causes them to turn. Similiarly at the end of the backswing / start of forward swing, the hip slide to the left causes the left hip to turn when it can slide to the left no more. There should be do conscious thought of turning the hips, in either direction.
Of course it's possible to overdo the Slide if one is not playing from the insides of the feet, in fact it's almost guaranteed.
The silence is deafening I'll retract that the hip slide to the right causes the the right hip to turn -- simply because in trying to emulate Tomasello's teachings, he starts the backswing with turning the right hip.
7-17 FOOT ACTION Foot Action accommodates the Knee Action resulting from the motion of the Weight Shift, and accepts the changes in the loading of the feet. The loading can shift between the inner and the outer edge of the foot but shouldn't roll the Foot over on its edge...
I guess it's only the outer edge that is being referred to here. I still believe that in practice, at least, purposely standing with pressure on the insides of the feet, is good. Wider stances permit better such feel (but narrower stances, less weightshift action, obviously). I was watching Julie Inkster on TGC who appears to have a fairly narrow stance even with the driver, and an almost imperceptable (sp?) forward weight shift.
Thanks again Yoda, Ted and VJ.
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