How do you correct getting too far under the plane in the downswing? I have a tendency to take the club out on the backswing and drop it to the inside coming down.
Is anyone familiar with this problem? How would you correct it?
I have the same problem although I take it back on or under plane and further drop it. Monitoring #3 pressure point at the top of the swing, per Matt's suggestion has helped significantly. If you drop it behind, you immediately lose the pressure. Try slowing down at the top as well as swinging with your back to a wall. Slowing down while monitoring #3 has helped me the most. If anyone else has a suggestion, I will be writing them down as well.
I have the same problem although I take it back on or under plane and further drop it. Monitoring #3 pressure point at the top of the swing, per Matt's suggestion has helped significantly. If you drop it behind, you immediately lose the pressure. Try slowing down at the top as well as swinging with your back to a wall. Slowing down while monitoring #3 has helped me the most. If anyone else has a suggestion, I will be writing them down as well.
Sometimes people that get the shaft way off plane at the top(cross-the-line) will drop it UNDER coming down.
However, even with this, just trying to change your ball flight can often help. Go to the right side of the range, and try to hit a left-to-right ball flight for a while. After you can do this, tone it down to a slight fade, then a straight ball. Stay away from right-to-left ball flight for a time.
Sometimes people that get the shaft way off plane at the top(cross-the-line) will drop it UNDER coming down.
However, even with this, just trying to change your ball flight can often help. Go to the right side of the range, and try to hit a left-to-right ball flight for a while. After you can do this, tone it down to a slight fade, then a straight ball. Stay away from right-to-left ball flight for a time.
Thanks for the response.You are correct that this happens to me more when I try to draw the ball.I do work at fading and get more of a straight shot.
Yes, the wall drill helps. Don't hit too many balls, but practice that move with a wall behind you. The club should not hit the wall on the backswing or at start down. What works for me is to swing with the club head slightly off the ground. This eliminates the tension and helps me initiate the turn better and get that up in the swing.
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When I first began with TGM, I latched onto some bad information that I still fight to this day - elbow stuck way in front, clubshaft dropping underplane, face stuck open. This resulted in either vicious hooks or huge pushes. As one would expect, my game improved immensely once I found some better information. These days, especially when I don't play much, I really need to focus on plane angle and clubface. And my rounds this year all left a lot to be desired.
At a recent range session, I wracked my brain for the tricks and ideas that brought me out of these funks when they occurred years ago. I figure I'd put them out there for the benefit of everyone with plane issues because as we know they can be extremely frustrating.
The first thing I did is envision the problem - when I got to the top, my left wrist was Turning at startdown and thus allowing the shaft to flatten and move underplane. What I felt as "on plane" was in fact underplane. The fix for this is to exaggerate it the other way. I feel like the clubshaft is very much "in front" of my body, even at the top. From there, I try to drive the butt-end of the club into the ground in front of the ball. This naturally steepens the plane angle while still allowing you to dynamically maintain lag pressure.
However, it's harder to achieve this feeling with longer clubs simply because you get the sensation that you're chopping wood with your driver. When this happens, I feel like I speed up my arms in relation to my pivot. I start down by feeling like my arms almost get past my line-of-sight to the ball before my pivot starts rotating. The underplane clubshaft is caused by the exact opposite - your pivot spinning while the arms stay back and then fall behind you. When you start feeling as though your arms move first, make sure to keep your right shoulder back and on-plane instead of collapsing it into the ball.
Of course, it takes some time before you get comfortable with these changes. At first, it feels like you can't even put the clubface on the ball from these "odd" positions. How can you go "out to right field" when you feel like you're coming over the top? After a while, though, it starts feeling more natural and the ball starts flying normally.
I've tried all sorts of ideas to fix plane problems and I'm starting to believe that the best way to deal with them is to simply exaggerate the opposite. You can try to just put it on plane (with laser pointers, mirror work, etc) but more often than not you fall into the "feel versus real" trap - you think you're on-plane, you're actually underplane, it's just a big roundabout. So take your 9-iron and start trying to stick the butt-end into the ground ahead of the ball. Yes, it'll feel over-the-top and like you're chopping wood. When you start taking divots and the ball is flying correctly, start adjusting it back to where it's comfortable. If weird shots occur, go back to exaggerated. Back and forth until you've got it.
How do you correct getting too far under the plane in the downswing? I have a tendency to take the club out on the backswing and drop it to the inside coming down.
Is anyone familiar with this problem? How would you correct it?
The ball will go dead right and short.
I don't ask this with any agenda, or sarcasm- I'm serious when I say "What is under plane?"
I understand if you're off plane - i.e. the clubshaft doesn't point at the plane line. I also understand if you're making plane angle shifts to flatter planes during the swing. So is "under plane"- "off plane" or is it "a flatter plane than you set up for"- I'm not sure. Or is "under plane" a description of the feel- of coming into impact too much "inside out", or does it just describe when you come inside out and block a shot. Could use some help here- it may flush out some issues or ideas I haven't considered.
Thanks in advance.
I think that the higher the handicap you are the more you should not have "hit the inside aft of the ball" plan. But rather try and put side spin on the ball with a uncocking left hand. See if you can make that ball go left. I will probably get shot for this advice, but if the club is too far inside already you are going to jam everything inside to hit the inside aft of the ball without releasing the club.
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How do you correct getting too far under the plane in the downswing? I have a tendency to take the club out on the backswing and drop it to the inside coming down.
Is anyone familiar with this problem? How would you correct it?
The ball will go dead right and short.
Keep to the Turned Shoulder Plane. The problem with many Swingers is over-swivel at Start-up. Over-swivel will disrupt the Left Arm Flying Wedge and your only hope of getting back to the ball is with a right shoulder thrust to the outside at the start of the downswing (and you're screwed). If you don't feel an overwhelming urge to pull the club Longitudinally with your body at Start-Down then your Left Arm Flying Wedge has been disrupted. The Pulling direction is along the plane line. If you don't FIRST develop that feeling, of Pulling, then all is lost and you will aimlessly spend the rest of your life trying to 'find a swing' that works. LOL
Use 10-18-F Wrist Action. Practice with Acquired Motion Strokes. During the Take-Away, don't allow the Left Arm to move across your chest (it shouldn't anyway). Keep your Left Arm and Chest synchronized. You MUST clear the right Hip at Start-up, so move it back out of the way at address if you have to. The Take-Away and Start-up may look and feel like your left hand is slightly under the shaft and you Clubface will look facing the ball on-plane when the clubshaft is parallel to the ground and parallel to the base line of the inclined plane. (Also, and I may get my butt kicked for saying this, but when the clubshaft is parallel to the ground and plane, your left arm will be in line with the club vertically, not horizontally). Allow your Torso to do the Turning. The Take-away will feel like your hands are traveling straight back. With the Left-Arm Flying Wedge intact, you will want to pull the shaft butt end first. This is a body pull, not a hands or arm pull. When you PULL, your Right Shoulder will automatically drop down and remain On-Plane during the Down stroke and Impact Interval. Your Right Shoulder will Feel Like it's Going Under and you will feel an underhand pitch motion. This includes an urge toward a Pitch Basic stroke.
You must develop a Backswing geometry that urges you to Pull with your body. Clubhead, Accumulator and Pivot LAG. If you do that, then all else become pretty easy.
To get on the right tract immediately, set up with some Axis Tilt and keep your head stationary during the Motion. Look at the Ball. Do-Not follow the club with your eyes (All of that is to allow a functional turn and not simply a torso rotation). And Lastly, you need some extensor action to pull on the left arm during the Backswing. The pulling on the way back will be followed by a pulling on the way down. You need structure. If you can't get Extensor Action right away, then slightly stretch out the left arm (I can see HK just shaking his head right now).
Get an Envelope sticker. Write the word PULL on it. Stick it to the top of your Driver.
If you want one over-all perspective to guide you through the Golfing Machine (for a Swinger) it is PULL. All motions and Actions should be viewed with the word Pull in mind. The right Elbow in a Pitch Basic Stroke is pulled, the Right Shoulder gets Pulled down by the Pivot, The Clubshaft is Pulled, the Secondary Lever Assembly is Pulled in-line (Centripetal force), Hands leading through impact because they are Pulling, etc, etc.
I don't ask this with any agenda, or sarcasm- I'm serious when I say "What is under plane?"
I understand if you're off plane - i.e. the clubshaft doesn't point at the plane line. I also understand if you're making plane angle shifts to flatter planes during the swing. So is "under plane"- "off plane" or is it "a flatter plane than you set up for"- I'm not sure. Or is "under plane" a description of the feel- of coming into impact too much "inside out", or does it just describe when you come inside out and block a shot. Could use some help here- it may flush out some issues or ideas I haven't considered.
Thanks in advance.
Mike O.
We're talking about "underplane" when the clubshaft doesn't point at the plane line (instead it points outside of it). A shift to a flatter plane angle with the shaft still on-plane isn't that big of a problem, but being flat and off-plane is a big problem. You do come into impact feeling too much inside-out and are usually left hopelessly unable to control the clubface. What feels like you "driving to the inside aft quadrant of the ball" is in reality you dropping the clubshaft off-plane and driving to outside the plane line.
Thanks Mike; your thoughts would be much appreciated.
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